Virtually all cruiser racing in Ireland is run under IRC and one or more personal handicaps - the main one is called ECHO. Even some One Designs have both Scratch and a personal handicap.
Personal handicaps use TCFs in a similar way as IRC - they are just a multiplier of the elapsed time to get a corrected time.
While IRC handicaps are pretty static - the personal handicaps are recalculated at intervals throughout a series. It depends on the club and the series.
I'm new to Sailwave and I'm now playing with setting recalculated handicaps in Sailwave.
In "Edit Results" - Rating tab
Question 1.
What is the term "Default Rating" ?
A Rating or Handicap is simply the rating applied to the first race - and subsequent races until a new handicap value is set. Its just a value rather than a "Default" value.
It appears that if a handicap is changed in a race, then if the box under it which states "use until next race rating is specified" is not clicked then the Default Rating is used in the next race. Is there any racing format which would use this approach?
Question 2.
Question on "previous race rating"
R1
Default Rating: 0.952
Previous Race Rating: blank
Rating for this Race: 0.952
Race Rating: blank (no change made)
R2
Default Rating: 0.952
Previous Race Rating: 0.929 (rating in the previous race is 0.952 not 0.929 ???)
Rating for this Race: 0.929
Race Rating: 0.929 (hcap change for this race)
Also ticked checkbox to use this rating until the next hcap change.
I guess my problem is that I don't know the logic behind how the Edit Results - Rating tab works.
Question 1.
What is the term “Default Rating” ?
AFAIK it’s the value set when you enter the competitor in the series.
A Rating or Handicap is simply the rating applied to the first race - and subsequent races until a new handicap value is set. Its just a value rather than a “Default” value.
Yes.
It appears that if a handicap is changed in a race, then if the box under it which states “use until next race rating is specified” is not clicked then the Default Rating is used in the next race. Is there any racing format which would use this approach?
SIs allow you to switch between, say, Radial and 4.7 rigs on the same series entry and use the correct handicap for the rig?
Question 2.
Question on “previous race rating”
R1
Default Rating: 0.952
Previous Race Rating: blank
Rating for this Race: 0.952
Race Rating: blank (no change made)
Subject: [sailwave] Handling Handicaps in Sailwave
Virtually all cruiser racing in Ireland is run under IRC and one or more personal handicaps - the main one is called ECHO. Even some One Designs have both Scratch and a personal handicap.
Personal handicaps use TCFs in a similar way as IRC - they are just a multiplier of the elapsed time to get a corrected time.
While IRC handicaps are pretty static - the personal handicaps are recalculated at intervals throughout a series. It depends on the club and the series.
I’m new to Sailwave and I’m now playing with setting recalculated handicaps in Sailwave.
In “Edit Results” - Rating tab
Question 1.
What is the term “Default Rating” ?
A Rating or Handicap is simply the rating applied to the first race - and subsequent races until a new handicap value is set. Its just a value rather than a “Default” value.
It appears that if a handicap is changed in a race, then if the box under it which states “use until next race rating is specified” is not clicked then the Default Rating is used in the next race. Is there any racing format which would use this approach?
Question 2.
Question on “previous race rating”
R1
Default Rating: 0.952
Previous Race Rating: blank
Rating for this Race: 0.952
Race Rating: blank (no change made)
R2
Default Rating: 0.952
Previous Race Rating: 0.929 (rating in the previous race is 0.952 not 0.929 ???)
Rating for this Race: 0.929
Race Rating: 0.929 (hcap change for this race)
Also ticked checkbox to use this rating until the next hcap change.
I guess my problem is that I don’t know the logic behind how the Edit Results - Rating tab works.
As I understand it one problem with Echo is that all is not
mechanical/mathematical. There is an element of appreciation left to
the scorer/handicapper.
Subject: [sailwave] Handling Handicaps
in Sailwave
Virtually all cruiser racing in Ireland is run
under IRC and one or more personal handicaps - the
main one is called ECHO. Even some One Designs
have both Scratch and a personal handicap.
Personal handicaps use TCFs in a similar way as
IRC - they are just a multiplier of the elapsed
time to get a corrected time.
While IRC handicaps are pretty static - the
personal handicaps are recalculated at intervals
throughout a series. It depends on the club and
the series.
I'm new to Sailwave and I'm now playing with
setting recalculated handicaps in Sailwave.
In "Edit Results" - Rating tab
Question 1.
What is the term "Default Rating" ?
A Rating or Handicap is simply the rating applied
to the first race - and subsequent races until a
new handicap value is set. Its just a value rather
than a “Default” value.
It appears that if a handicap is changed in a
race, then if the box under it which states “use
until next race rating is specified” is not
clicked then the Default Rating is used in the
next race. Is there any racing format which would
use this approach?
Question 2.
Question on "previous race rating"
R1
Default Rating: 0.952
Previous Race Rating: blank
Rating for this Race: 0.952
Race Rating: blank (no change made)
R2
Default Rating: 0.952
Previous Race Rating: 0.929 (rating in the
previous race is 0.952 not 0.929 ???)
Rating for this Race: 0.929
Race Rating: 0.929 (hcap change for this race)
Also ticked checkbox to use this rating until the
next hcap change.
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Handling Handicaps in Sailwave
As I understand it one problem with Echo is that all is not mechanical/mathematical. There is an element of appreciation left to the scorer/handicapper.
Gordon
On 15/05/2012 11:02, Patricia Butterfield wrote:
There is a plug in for Echo written last year
It takes the info from sailwave to an excel spreadsheet calculates the echo and puts it back.
It was given to Denis Kelly in Ireland.
I will be at the ICRA Championship in Howth next week.
Subject: [sailwave] Handling Handicaps in Sailwave
Virtually all cruiser racing in Ireland is run under IRC and one or more personal handicaps - the main one is called ECHO. Even some One Designs have both Scratch and a personal handicap.
Personal handicaps use TCFs in a similar way as IRC - they are just a multiplier of the elapsed time to get a corrected time.
While IRC handicaps are pretty static - the personal handicaps are recalculated at intervals throughout a series. It depends on the club and the series.
I’m new to Sailwave and I’m now playing with setting recalculated handicaps in Sailwave.
In “Edit Results” - Rating tab
Question 1.
What is the term “Default Rating” ?
A Rating or Handicap is simply the rating applied to the first race - and subsequent races until a new handicap value is set. Its just a value rather than a “Default” value.
It appears that if a handicap is changed in a race, then if the box under it which states “use until next race rating is specified” is not clicked then the Default Rating is used in the next race. Is there any racing format which would use this approach?
Question 2.
Question on “previous race rating”
R1
Default Rating: 0.952
Previous Race Rating: blank
Rating for this Race: 0.952
Race Rating: blank (no change made)
R2
Default Rating: 0.952
Previous Race Rating: 0.929 (rating in the previous race is 0.952 not 0.929 ???)
Rating for this Race: 0.929
Race Rating: 0.929 (hcap change for this race)
Also ticked checkbox to use this rating until the next hcap change.
I guess my problem is that I don’t know the logic behind how the Edit Results - Rating tab works.
It takes the info from sailwave to an excel spreadsheet calculates the echo and puts it back.
It was given to Denis Kelly in Ireland.
I will be at the ICRA Championship in Howth next week.
I chair thee protest committee
Mike Butterfield
From: johndeane33
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:17 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Handling Handicaps in Sailwave
Virtually all cruiser racing in Ireland is run under IRC and one or more personal handicaps - the main one is called ECHO. Even some One Designs have both Scratch and a personal handicap.
Personal handicaps use TCFs in a similar way as IRC - they are just a multiplier of the elapsed time to get a corrected time.
While IRC handicaps are pretty static - the personal handicaps are recalculated at intervals throughout a series. It depends on the club and the series.
I'm new to Sailwave and I'm now playing with setting recalculated handicaps in Sailwave.
In "Edit Results" - Rating tab
Question 1.
What is the term "Default Rating" ?
A Rating or Handicap is simply the rating applied to the first race - and subsequent races until a new handicap value is set. Its just a value rather than a "Default" value.
It appears that if a handicap is changed in a race, then if the box under it which states "use until next race rating is specified" is not clicked then the Default Rating is used in the next race. Is there any racing format which would use this approach?
Question 2.
Question on "previous race rating"
R1
Default Rating: 0.952
Previous Race Rating: blank
Rating for this Race: 0.952
Race Rating: blank (no change made)
R2
Default Rating: 0.952
Previous Race Rating: 0.929 (rating in the previous race is 0.952 not 0.929 ???)
Rating for this Race: 0.929
Race Rating: 0.929 (hcap change for this race)
Also ticked checkbox to use this rating until the next hcap change.
I guess my problem is that I don't know the logic behind how the Edit Results - Rating tab works.
Re the program mentioned by Mike Butterfield, that I have written to allow Personal Handicaps with Sailwave. Although this was written to support the Echo handicap it is not limited to the Echo handicap and as it uses Excel to calculate the new handicap, as long as you are familiar with Excel then you can have any rules that you like to create the new handicap, you simply edit the template that it uses. The program itself does not do any calculation of the handicap, it simply extracts all the data from sailwave into Excel and writes back the new handicap that excel calculates into the next race. One button click to extract and one to write the new handicaps back to sailwave.
As I understand it one problem with Echo is that all is not
mechanical/mathematical. There is an element of appreciation left to the
scorer/handicapper.
Gordon
On 15/05/2012 11:02, Patricia Butterfield wrote:
>
> There is a plug in for Echo written last year
> It takes the info from sailwave to an excel spreadsheet calculates the
> echo and puts it back.
> It was given to Denis Kelly in Ireland.
> I will be at the ICRA Championship in Howth next week.
> I chair thee protest committee
> Mike Butterfield
> *From:* johndeane33 <mailto:johndeane33@…>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:17 AM
> *To:* sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
> *Subject:* [sailwave] Handling Handicaps in Sailwave
>
> Virtually all cruiser racing in Ireland is run under IRC and one or
> more personal handicaps - the main one is called ECHO. Even some One
> Designs have both Scratch and a personal handicap.
>
> Personal handicaps use TCFs in a similar way as IRC - they are just a
> multiplier of the elapsed time to get a corrected time.
>
> While IRC handicaps are pretty static - the personal handicaps are
> recalculated at intervals throughout a series. It depends on the club
> and the series.
>
> I'm new to Sailwave and I'm now playing with setting recalculated
> handicaps in Sailwave.
>
> In "Edit Results" - Rating tab
>
> Question 1.
> What is the term "Default Rating" ?
> A Rating or Handicap is simply the rating applied to the first race -
> and subsequent races until a new handicap value is set. Its just a
> value rather than a "Default" value.
>
> It appears that if a handicap is changed in a race, then if the box
> under it which states "use until next race rating is specified" is not
> clicked then the Default Rating is used in the next race. Is there any
> racing format which would use this approach?
>
> Question 2.
>
> Question on "previous race rating"
>
> R1
> Default Rating: 0.952
> Previous Race Rating: blank
> Rating for this Race: 0.952
> Race Rating: blank (no change made)
>
> R2
> Default Rating: 0.952
> Previous Race Rating: 0.929 (rating in the previous race is 0.952 not
> 0.929 ???)
> Rating for this Race: 0.929
> Race Rating: 0.929 (hcap change for this race)
> Also ticked checkbox to use this rating until the next hcap change.
>
> I guess my problem is that I don't know the logic behind how the Edit
> Results - Rating tab works.
>
> John
>
>
Yes, I guess that the "Default" term could apply where one race in a series has a different hcap and all the other races use the Default hcap.
We would have separate classes for Standard/Radial/4.7 rigs and switching rigs would not be allowed - but I take your point that where there is mixed bunch of rigs racing together, if one of them switches rig for a race then the default / one race hcap change could be used.
Edit Competitor shows the Default hcap.
Mike Butterfield is coming to Dublin next week so I'll show him what I'm on about then.
> In "Edit Results" - Rating tab
>
> Question 1.
> What is the term "Default Rating" ?AFAIK it's the value set when you
enter the competitor in the series.
> A Rating or Handicap is simply the rating applied to the first race -
and subsequent races until a new handicap value is set. Its just a value
rather than a "Default" value.Yes.
>
> It appears that if a handicap is changed in a race, then if the box
under it which states "use until next race rating is specified" is not
clicked then the Default Rating is used in the next race. Is there any
racing format which would use this approach?
SIs allow you to switch between, say, Radial and 4.7 rigs on the same
series entry and use the correct handicap for the rig?
>
> Question 2.
>
> Question on "previous race rating"
>
> R1
> Default Rating: 0.952
> Previous Race Rating: blank
> Rating for this Race: 0.952
> Race Rating: blank (no change made)
> What's shown when you Edit Competitor?
Mike Lancing SC
In an endeavour to spread the good word, I’ve undertaken to run a Sailwave training day at my local club next month. Not being one to reinvent wheels unnecessarily, I was wondering if anyone had any notes/materials already put together for such purposes. What I have in mind is an agenda along the lines of:
Overview of Sailwave (possibly PPT, using projector)
One design setup
One design scoring
Handicap setup
Handicap scoring
jury decisions, scoring changes, error corrections, etc.
The last topic will be honourable mention only, for a futher ‘advanced’ class if needed.
For both one design and handicap, I’d envisage bringing a sample race competitor list and results, so each participant can go through a set up and scoring exercise, complete with random recorder errors for a sense of reality!
Everyone of course gets a copy of the ABYC user guide
Any suggestions other that to just get on with it!
I am running 3 Sailwave workshops next month, 2x for WYA in
South Wales and 1x for Royal Southampton YC. Just starting to put
thoughts together. Not planning many presentation slides, planning
to talk to Sailwave on a screen.
Hadn’t thought about ABYC user guide, good idea.
Think your list bullet points is good but think you need to
cover publishing results. I would add in ‘specials’ about
uploading results to RYA for PH and NHC, but may not be relevant
in Ireland!
Will let you have my thoughts once done.
Kind regards,
Huw
···
On 19/02/2014 14:05, Ian Bowring wrote:
In
an endeavour to spread the good word, I’ve
undertaken to run a Sailwave training day at my
local club next month. Not being one to reinvent
wheels unnecessarily, I was wondering if anyone had
any notes/materials already put together for such
purposes. What I have in mind is an agenda along
the lines of:
- Overview of Sailwave
(possibly PPT, using projector)
One design setup
One design scoring
Handicap setup
Handicap scoring
- jury decisions, scoring
changes, error corrections, etc.
- ‘specials’ – multiple
handicaps per race, flight
assignments/qualifying series, non-standard
scoring, etc
The last topic will be
honourable mention only, for a futher ‘advanced’
class if needed.
For both one design and
handicap, I’d envisage bringing a sample race
competitor list and results, so each participant
can go through a set up and scoring exercise,
complete with random recorder errors for a sense
of reality!
Everyone of course gets a
copy of the ABYC user guide
Any suggestions other
that to just get on with it!
Thanks, Ian.
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I am running 3 Sailwave workshops next month, 2x for WYA and 1x for Royal Southampton YC. Just starting to
put thoughts together. Not planning many presentation slides, planning to talk to Sailwave on a screen.
I am running 3 Sailwave workshops next month, 2x for WYA and 1x for Royal Southampton YC. Just starting to
put thoughts together. Not planning many presentation slides, planning to talk to Sailwave on a screen.
On 19 Feb 2014, at 16:22, huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk
wrote:
Hi Ian,
I am running 3 Sailwave workshops next month, 2x
for WYA and 1x for Royal Southampton YC. Just
starting to put thoughts together. Not planning many
presentation slides, planning to talk to Sailwave on
a screen.
Hadn’t thought about ABYC user guide, good idea.
Think your list bullet points is good.
Will let you have my thoughts once done.
Kind regards,
Huw
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I am running 3 Sailwave workshops next month, 2x for WYA and 1x for Royal Southampton YC. Just starting to put thoughts together. Not planning many presentation slides, planning to talk to Sailwave on a screen.
Hadn’t thought about ABYC user guide, good idea.
Think your list bullet points is good.
Will let you have my thoughts once done.
Kind regards,
Huw
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In an endeavour to spread the good word, I’ve undertaken to run a Sailwave training day at my local club next month. Not being one to reinvent wheels unnecessarily, I was wondering if anyone had any notes/materials already put together for such purposes. What I have in mind is an agenda along the lines of:
Overview of Sailwave (possibly PPT, using projector)
One design setup
One design scoring
Handicap setup
Handicap scoring
jury decisions, scoring changes, error corrections, etc.
The last topic will be honourable mention only, for a futher ‘advanced’ class if needed.
For both one design and handicap, I’d envisage bringing a sample race competitor list and results, so each participant can go through a set up and scoring exercise, complete with random recorder errors for a sense of reality!
Everyone of course gets a copy of the ABYC user guide
Any suggestions other that to just get on with it!
In an endeavour to spread the good word, I’ve undertaken to run a Sailwave training day at my local club next month. Not being one to reinvent wheels unnecessarily, I was wondering if anyone had any notes/materials already put together for such purposes. What I have in mind is an agenda along the lines of:
Overview of Sailwave (possibly PPT, using projector)
One design setup
One design scoring
Handicap setup
Handicap scoring
jury decisions, scoring changes, error corrections, etc.
The last topic will be honourable mention only, for a futher ‘advanced’ class if needed.
For both one design and handicap, I’d envisage bringing a sample race competitor list and results, so each participant can go through a set up and scoring exercise, complete with random recorder errors for a sense of reality!
Everyone of course gets a copy of the ABYC user guide
Any suggestions other that to just get on with it!
In an endeavour to spread the good word, I’ve undertaken to run a Sailwave training day at my local club next month. Not being one to reinvent wheels unnecessarily, I was wondering if anyone had any notes/materials already put together for such purposes. What I have in mind is an agenda along the lines of:
Overview of Sailwave (possibly PPT, using projector)
One design setup
One design scoring
Handicap setup
Handicap scoring
jury decisions, scoring changes, error corrections, etc.
The last topic will be honourable mention only, for a futher ‘advanced’ class if needed.
For both one design and handicap, I’d envisage bringing a sample race competitor list and results, so each participant can go through a set up and scoring exercise, complete with random recorder errors for a sense of reality!
Everyone of course gets a copy of the ABYC user guide
Any suggestions other that to just get on with it!
In an endeavour to spread the good word, I’ve undertaken to run a Sailwave training day at my local club next month. Not being one to reinvent wheels unnecessarily, I was wondering if anyone had any notes/materials already put together for such purposes. What I have in mind is an agenda along the lines of:
Overview of Sailwave (possibly PPT, using projector)
One design setup
One design scoring
Handicap setup
Handicap scoring
jury decisions, scoring changes, error corrections, etc.
The last topic will be honourable mention only, for a futher ‘advanced’ class if needed.
For both one design and handicap, I’d envisage bringing a sample race competitor list and results, so each participant can go through a set up and scoring exercise, complete with random recorder errors for a sense of reality!
Everyone of course gets a copy of the ABYC user guide
Any suggestions other that to just get on with it!
An excellent set of tools…. I
notice that RAF is included and should be updated to RET for the next time you
use them.
Also if someone is standing up and talking
their way thorough setting up Sailwave it would be a great opportunity to video
the sessions and upload to YouTube with a link on the Sailwave site.
In an endeavour to
spread the good word, I’ve undertaken to run a Sailwave training day at
my local club next month. Not being one to reinvent wheels
unnecessarily, I was wondering if anyone had any notes/materials already put
together for such purposes. What I have in mind is an agenda along
the lines of:
Overview of Sailwave (possibly PPT, using projector)
One design setup
One design scoring
Handicap setup
Handicap scoring
jury decisions, scoring changes, error corrections, etc.
The last topic will be honourable mention only, for a
futher ‘advanced’ class if needed.
For both one design and handicap, I’d envisage
bringing a sample race competitor list and results, so each participant can go
through a set up and scoring exercise, complete with random recorder errors for
a sense of reality!
Everyone of course gets a copy of the ABYC user guide
Any suggestions other that to just get on with it!
