proposed change for aliases and scoring system overrides

Imported from Yahoo
1

The two areas I find people have most confusion
with is aliases and scoring system overrides. Both are commonly
needed. They are also inter-related. I propose this change,
which is intended to make them both easier to use. It also
extends scoring systems to be only applied to a selection of races

  • something people ask for a lot. It also saved the current slog
    setting up aliases one by one.

    Replace the existing single list in Sailwave with a number of

tabs.

  The first tab is called "Competitors" and is a list of the

competitors and fields, no races.

  The second tab is called "Races" - one per column with the starts

defined as per now.

  Other tabs represent scoring systems.  One per tab.  No

overrides. You can set the scoring system up to score as one
group or by some field as now. Here’s the difference - each
scoring system/tab has associated expressions to choose which
competitors to useand another to choose which races to use.

  When scoring from the toolbar it scores all scoring system tabs.

But you can also score scoring systems individually from the
appropriate tab.

  When publishing you can choose which scoring systems to include.

  You can then do pretty much anything you like including a whole

SfG regatta in one file - undesirable for practical reasons but
possible.

  Example.  Club race, two fleets, mono and multi.  monos use PY,

multis use SCHRS. Two scoring system tabs.

  Example.  One PY handicap regatta,  want to see usual results,

also results scored by USA PY. No need to use aliases - just add
a tab - setup the scoring system - expressions includes all
competitors.

  Example. long club series but also wants results for weekend

races. Add tab - set races expr appropriately.

  Etc.

  What do you think...?

  Personally I think it's much clearer how to use.  Essentially the

screen is split into 1. a list of competitors, 2. “how the boats
physically sailed” (Races tab) and 3. N “how i’m going to score
the boats” (scoring system tabs)

  No aliases needed.  No scoring system overrides needed.

  No changes to publishing as you can include as many of the scoring

tabs as you like.

  PS: Qual/Finals no change for now - though there is scope for

splitting between two tabs which would make things clearer as
well…

···

–

  Cheers,

  Colin J

http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

2

Like the general approach, but I think I would still ‘need’ aliases to score the same boat with different ratings? (For example, I score our Wed Evening series using PY, PH and LCF competitor ratings by using aliases.)

Mike

Lancing SC

3

Hi Mike,

  Ah yes,  Thats ties up with another change I forgot to mention,.

No ratings in competitors. A list if generated from rating files
and you can add entries manually. Essentially it scans the list
and picks the appropriate handicap. Also means you can just enter
handicaps per class per rating system. The list would work on a
most specific handicap is the one used, so if you set one based on
the class and one based on the competitor, the competitor one
would be used (both per ratins system). This is somehting I’ve
wanted to do for a while. Ratings have no place in competitor
records. I think it would also be advantageous to see all the
ratings in one place.

···

Cheers,

  Colin J

http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

          Like the general approach, but I think I would still

‘need’ aliases to score the same boat with different
ratings? (For example, I score our Wed Evening series
using PY, PH and LCF competitor ratings by using
aliases.)

Mike

Lancing SC

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Hi Mike,

The removal of 'aliases' is Colin's point. In your case, under the

paradigm proposed by Colin, you would have 3 scoring tabs - one
using PY, one using PH and the third using LCF ratings - and include
all competitors.

Kind regards,

Huw
···

On 08/02/2012 14:12, Mike wrote:

          Like the general approach, but I think I would still

‘need’ aliases to score the same boat with different
ratings? (For example, I score our Wed Evening series
using PY, PH and LCF competitor ratings by using
aliases.)

Mike

Lancing SC

5

Mike, re: Wednesday series. I would envisage 3
scoring system tabs. Each using all the competitors and all the
races but each with a different rating system (no overrides, they
don’t exist). I think this Far clearer than a top level scoring
system and 3 overrides. Also no need to add a Fleet category to
group by since each tab would be ‘score everybody as one group’.

···

Cheers,

  Colin J

http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

          Like the general approach, but I think I would still

‘need’ aliases to score the same boat with different
ratings? (For example, I score our Wed Evening series
using PY, PH and LCF competitor ratings by using
aliases.)

Mike

Lancing SC

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I think Mike uses the competitors for the
ratings not the rating files, so his point was nowhere to put 3
ratings. However I want to move ratings out of comp anyway - too
much replication and source of mistakes.

  NB: as a side effect the tickbox to auto load ratings form files

is not needed. And also race specific ratings go into the list of
ratings. it’s another degree of specificness. class rating,
class+comp rating, class+comp+race rating.

···

Cheers,

  Colin J

http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

Hi Mike,

          The removal of 'aliases' is Colin's point. In your case,

under the paradigm proposed by Colin, you would have 3
scoring tabs - one using PY, one using PH and the third
using LCF ratings - and include all competitors.

          Kind regards,
          Huw

          On 08/02/2012 14:12, Mike wrote:

              Like the general approach, but I think I would still

‘need’ aliases to score the same boat with different
ratings? (For example, I score our Wed Evening series
using PY, PH and LCF competitor ratings by using
aliases.)

Mike

Lancing SC

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Still struggling a bit here, as to me the rating of a competitor/boat combination is a unique property of that competitor/boat. Is the proposal that the rating tab specifies a particular rating for a given competitor/boat combination? (The driving force being that I only want to enter 1 result for a given competitor/boat.) Note that all systems I use have the same corrected time calculation, it's just the handicaps that vary. (Maybe I'm just having a problem with descriptions / words?)
Mike
Lancing SC

8

Hi Colin,

Sounds interesting.

Question - have you thought how one might included different logos

when publishing results from the different ‘scoring tabs’? Using the
concept of S4G Regatta in one file, I would be looking to have the
appropriate class logo on the published results as well as the
regatta logo and logos of sponsors.

Something to consider for future enhancement is the capability to

include more than two logos, I appreciate there are ways round this
and I have used them in the past.

On ratings - there are ratings appropriate to a

competitor/crew/class/boat combination when personal handicapping
(PH), which takes ‘crew skill factor’ into account, is used and to a
class/boat when no account is taken of ‘crew skill factor’. For
both there may be different ratings under different rating schemes.
Class rating schemes that are well known are RYA PN, US Sailing PN,
LYC (Swedish), Victoria PN (Australian) and in addition for
multihulls Texel & SCHRS.

So in my view it is appropriate to have competitor ratings, which

are personal (PH), and class/boat ratings (CR), that do not take the
‘crew skill factor’ into account, that apply to all boats claiming
to conform to a set of class rules, e.g . Fireball, Osprey,
A-Class, Flying Fifteen. Therefore, if you were able to find a way
to store multiple ratings for a competitor and a class/boat under
different rating schemes and allow selection of the one to be
applied to a ‘scoring tab’ in your proposed paradigm it would be
fantastic. Even more fantastic would be the provision of a mechanism
to calculate PH & CR from the race data available.

Note - with PH I have seen these specified as an absolute number, *i.e*    .

a PH PN and a PH which depending on being pls (+) or minus (-) is
added to or subtracted from a CR.

Kind regards,
Huw
···

Cheers,

          Colin J

http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

              Like the general approach, but I think I would still

‘need’ aliases to score the same boat with different
ratings? (For example, I score our Wed Evening series
using PY, PH and LCF competitor ratings by using
aliases.)

Mike

Lancing SC

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Hi Mike,

  I would say that most events use a rating based on class, not

competitor, so (ignoring rating files for the moment), the same
rating has to be set over and over again as you enter the
competitors. Sailwave helps, but essentially that is true and if
you decide to change the rating for a class (you got it wrong
say), you have to change it N times - once for every competitor of
that class. As you say, other events need a rating per competitor

  • e.g. big boat racing. And also as you say when scoring the same
    results with different ratings you need (in your case) 3 ratings
    per competitor.

    What I'm proposing is that there are no ratings in competitors.

Instead there will be a Setup+Ratings window with a list of
ratings for use in that series. All in one place. Each line can
set a rating based on o set of criteria. When looking for the
rating of a competitor when scoring, Sailwave scans the list and
uses the first applicable one.

  Most commonly rating systems will be set up by class:-

  class=laser, ratsys=py, races=*, val=1078

  class=dart18, ratsys=py, races=*, val=800

  but if you want to be more specific you can add competitor

specific lines:-

  sailno=89, rating=py, races=*, value=1099

  and also set per race values

  sailno=89, rating=py, races=1, value=1099

      sailno=89, rating=py, races=2,

value=1096

      sailno=89, rating=py, races=3-*,

value=1091

      The UI will help you do this quickly.  It means

all rating into is in one place. It also means that per race
ratings (personal handicaps) can be used per scoring system now as
well.

···

Cheers,

  Colin J

http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

          Still struggling a bit here, as to me the rating of a

competitor/boat combination is a unique property of that
competitor/boat. Is the proposal that the rating tab
specifies a particular rating for a given competitor/boat
combination? (The driving force being that I only want to
enter 1 result for a given competitor/boat.) Note that all
systems I use have the same corrected time calculation,
it’s just the handicaps that vary. (Maybe I’m just having
a problem with descriptions / words?)
Mike
Lancing SC

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Two people (so far) have unsubscribed after I
posted my proposals email. Why? This always seems to happen when
I try and discuss something. Simon S denies it happens but… :slight_smile:

···

Cheers,

  Colin J

http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

Hi Mike,

            I would say that most events use a rating based on

class, not competitor, so (ignoring rating files for the
moment), the same rating has to be set over and over
again as you enter the competitors. Sailwave helps, but
essentially that is true and if you decide to change the
rating for a class (you got it wrong say), you have to
change it N times - once for every competitor of that
class. As you say, other events need a rating per
competitor - e.g. big boat racing. And also as you say
when scoring the same results with different ratings you
need (in your case) 3 ratings per competitor.

            What I'm proposing is that there are no ratings in

competitors. Instead there will be a Setup+Ratings
window with a list of ratings for use in that series.
All in one place. Each line can set a rating based on o
set of criteria. When looking for the rating of a
competitor when scoring, Sailwave scans the list and
uses the first applicable one.

            Most commonly rating systems will be set up by class:-



            class=laser, ratsys=py, races=*, val=1078

            class=dart18, ratsys=py, races=*, val=800



            but if you want to be more specific you can add

competitor specific lines:-

            sailno=89, rating=py, races=*, value=1099



            and also set per race values



            sailno=89, rating=py, races=1, value=1099

                          sailno=89, rating=py, races=2,

value=1096

                           sailno=89,

rating=py, races=3-*, value=1091

                          The UI will help you do this

quickly. It means all rating into is in one place. It
also means that per race ratings (personal handicaps)
can be used per scoring system now as well.

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          Colin J

http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

              Still struggling a bit here, as to me the rating of a

competitor/boat combination is a unique property of
that competitor/boat. Is the proposal that the rating
tab specifies a particular rating for a given
competitor/boat combination? (The driving force being
that I only want to enter 1 result for a given
competitor/boat.) Note that all systems I use have the
same corrected time calculation, it’s just the
handicaps that vary. (Maybe I’m just having a problem
with descriptions / words?)
Mike
Lancing SC

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Hi Colin

         I think there should be (at least 2 groups). I would recommend:

Scoring & Handicap Questions
Sailwave Support
Sailwave Futures

         That would keep the Results sec who uses Sailwave in a very straightforward way from all the rest, which in truth may not be of interest,

cheers
Tony

···

At 15:06 08/02/2012, Colin Jenkins wrote:

Two people (so far) have unsubscribed after I posted my proposals email. Why? This always seems to happen when I try and discuss something. Simon S denies it happens but... :slight_smile:

Cheers,
Colin J
<http://sailwave.com>http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

On 08/02/2012 15:03, Colin Jenkins wrote:

Hi Mike,

I would say that most events use a rating based on class, not competitor, so (ignoring rating files for the moment), the same rating has to be set over and over again as you enter the competitors. Sailwave helps, but essentially that is true and if you decide to change the rating for a class (you got it wrong say), you have to change it N times - once for every competitor of that class. As you say, other events need a rating per competitor - e.g. big boat racing. And also as you say when scoring the same results with different ratings you need (in your case) 3 ratings per competitor.

What I'm proposing is that there are no ratings in competitors. Instead there will be a Setup+Ratings window with a list of ratings for use in that series. All in one place. Each line can set a rating based on o set of criteria. When looking for the rating of a competitor when scoring, Sailwave scans the list and uses the first applicable one.

Most commonly rating systems will be set up by class:-

class=laser, ratsys=py, races=*, val=1078
class=dart18, ratsys=py, races=*, val=800

but if you want to be more specific you can add competitor specific lines:-

sailno=89, rating=py, races=*, value=1099

and also set per race values

sailno=89, rating=py, races=1, value=1099
sailno=89, rating=py, races=2, value=1096
sailno=89, rating=py, races=3-*, value=1091

The UI will help you do this quickly. It means all rating into is in one place. It also means that per race ratings (personal handicaps) can be used per scoring system now as well.

Cheers,
Colin J
<http://sailwave.com>http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

On 08/02/2012 14:46, Mike wrote:

Still struggling a bit here, as to me the rating of a competitor/boat combination is a unique property of that competitor/boat. Is the proposal that the rating tab specifies a particular rating for a given competitor/boat combination? (The driving force being that I only want to enter 1 result for a given competitor/boat.) Note that all systems I use have the same corrected time calculation, it's just the handicaps that vary. (Maybe I'm just having a problem with descriptions / words?)
Mike
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Hi Huw,

I have ideas about publishing too - been thinking a lot recently

because of my platform independent version - want to do it
properly.- but i’ll talk about them later if that’s OK - I think I
know how to address your issues. I think the rating things you
mentioned are covered by my priority list solution - allowing being
specific down to the race level and trivially extendable to add more
criteria.

What I'm not decided about is whether or not to retro all this into

the Windows version.

The platform independent version is HTML5+Javascript.  Will run on

anything.

···

Cheers,

  Colin J

http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

Hi Colin,

          Sounds interesting.

          Question - have you thought how one might included

different logos when publishing results from the different
‘scoring tabs’? Using the concept of S4G Regatta in one
file, I would be looking to have the appropriate class
logo on the published results as well as the regatta logo
and logos of sponsors.

          Something to consider for future enhancement is the

capability to include more than two logos, I appreciate
there are ways round this and I have used them in the
past.

          On ratings - there are ratings appropriate to a

competitor/crew/class/boat combination when personal
handicapping (PH), which takes ‘crew skill factor’ into
account, is used and to a class/boat when no account is
taken of ‘crew skill factor’. For both there may be
different ratings under different rating schemes. Class
rating schemes that are well known are RYA PN, US Sailing
PN, LYC (Swedish), Victoria PN (Australian) and in
addition for multihulls Texel & SCHRS.

          So in my view it is appropriate to have competitor

ratings, which are personal (PH), and class/boat ratings
(CR), that do not take the ‘crew skill factor’ into
account, that apply to all boats claiming to conform to a
set of class rules, e.g . Fireball, Osprey,
A-Class, Flying Fifteen. Therefore, if you were able to
find a way to store multiple ratings for a competitor and
a class/boat under different rating schemes and allow
selection of the one to be applied to a ‘scoring tab’ in
your proposed paradigm it would be fantastic. Even more
fantastic would be the provision of a mechanism to
calculate PH & CR from the race data available.

          Note - with PH I have seen these specified as an absolute

number, i.e . a PH PN and a PH which depending on
being pls (+) or minus (-) is added to or subtracted from
a CR.

          Kind regards,
          Huw


          On 08/02/2012 14:26, Colin Jenkins wrote:

Hi Mike,

                Ah yes,  Thats ties up with another change I forgot

to mention,. No ratings in competitors. A list if
generated from rating files and you can add entries
manually. Essentially it scans the list and picks
the appropriate handicap. Also means you can just
enter handicaps per class per rating system. The
list would work on a most specific handicap is the
one used, so if you set one based on the class and
one based on the competitor, the competitor one
would be used (both per ratins system). This is
somehting I’ve wanted to do for a while. Ratings
have no place in competitor records. I think it
would also be advantageous to see all the ratings in
one place.

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http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

                  Like the general approach, but I think I would

still ‘need’ aliases to score the same boat with
different ratings? (For example, I score our Wed
Evening series using PY, PH and LCF competitor
ratings by using aliases.)

Mike

Lancing SC

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Colin,

My post on ratings and your reply to Mike crossed in the ether. You

were ahead of me and I will digest the way you propose to specify
ratings, initial impression is cool.

Would you still have multiple rating files that get merged on

startup of Sailwave? In my view having separate files makes
maintenance far easier.

Kind regards,
Huw
···

Cheers,

          Colin J

http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

              Still struggling a bit here, as to me the rating of a

competitor/boat combination is a unique property of
that competitor/boat. Is the proposal that the rating
tab specifies a particular rating for a given
competitor/boat combination? (The driving force being
that I only want to enter 1 result for a given
competitor/boat.) Note that all systems I use have the
same corrected time calculation, it’s just the
handicaps that vary. (Maybe I’m just having a problem
with descriptions / words?)
Mike
Lancing SC

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Thanks Tony. I’ve just setup Redmine to handle
issue tracking and development so I will use that in the future
for this sort of thing. Operational very soon…

···

Cheers,

  Colin J

http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

Hi Colin

          I think there should be (at least 2 groups). I would

recommend:

          Scoring & Handicap Questions
          Sailwave Support
          Sailwave Futures

          That would keep the Results sec who uses
          Sailwave in a very straightforward way from all
          the rest, which in truth may not be of interest,

          cheers
          Tony

          At 15:06 08/02/2012, Colin Jenkins wrote:
          >
          >
          >Two people (so far) have unsubscribed after I
          >posted my proposals email. Why? This always
          >seems to happen when I try and discuss
          >something. Simon S denies it happens but... :)
          >
          >Cheers,
          >Colin J
          ><[http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)>[http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)
          >[http://welshandgrumpy.me](http://welshandgrumpy.me)
          >
          >On 08/02/2012 15:03, Colin Jenkins wrote:
          >>
          >>
          >>Hi Mike,
          >>
          >>I would say that most events use a rating based
          >>on class, not competitor, so (ignoring rating
          >>files for the moment), the same rating has to
          >>be set over and over again as you enter the
          >>competitors. Sailwave helps, but essentially
          >>that is true and if you decide to change the
          >>rating for a class (you got it wrong say), you
          >>have to change it N times - once for every
          >>competitor of that class. As you say, other
          >>events need a rating per competitor - e.g. big
          >>boat racing. And also as you say when scoring
          >>the same results with different ratings you
          >>need (in your case) 3 ratings per competitor.
          >>
          >>What I'm proposing is that there are no ratings
          >>in competitors. Instead there will be a
          >>Setup+Ratings window with a list of ratings for
          >>use in that series. All in one place. Each
          >>line can set a rating based on o set of
          >>criteria. When looking for the rating of a
          >>competitor when scoring, Sailwave scans the
          >>list and uses the first applicable one.
          >>
          >>Most commonly rating systems will be set up by

class:-
>>
>>class=laser, ratsys=py, races=, val=1078
>>class=dart18, ratsys=py, races=, val=800
>>
>>but if you want to be more specific you can add
competitor specific lines:-
>>
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=, value=1099
>>
>>and also set per race values
>>
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=1, value=1099
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=2, value=1096
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=3-, value=1091
>>
>>The UI will help you do this quickly. It means
>>all rating into is in one place. It also means
>>that per race ratings (personal handicaps) can
>>be used per scoring system now as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Colin J
>><http://sailwave.com>http://sailwave.com
>>http://welshandgrumpy.me
>>
>>On 08/02/2012 14:46, Mike wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Still struggling a bit here, as to me the
>>>rating of a competitor/boat combination is a
>>>unique property of that competitor/boat. Is
>>>the proposal that the rating tab specifies a
>>>particular rating for a given competitor/boat

          >>>combination? (The driving force being that I
          >>>only want to enter 1 result for a given
          >>>competitor/boat.) Note that all systems I use

          >>>have the same corrected time calculation, it's

          >>>just the handicaps that vary. (Maybe I'm just

          >>>having a problem with descriptions / words?)
          >>>Mike
          >>>Lancing SC
          >>>
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            Thanks Tony.  I've just setup

Redmine to handle issue tracking and development so I
will use that in the future for this sort of thing.
Operational very soon…

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Hi Colin

              I think there should be (at least 2 groups). I would

recommend:

              Scoring & Handicap Questions
              Sailwave Support
              Sailwave Futures

              That would keep the Results sec who uses
              Sailwave in a very straightforward way from all
              the rest, which in truth may not be of interest,

              cheers
              Tony

              At 15:06 08/02/2012, Colin Jenkins wrote:
              >
              >
              >Two people (so far) have unsubscribed after I
              >posted my proposals email. Why? This always
              >seems to happen when I try and discuss
              >something. Simon S denies it happens but... :)
              >
              >Cheers,
              >Colin J
              ><[http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)>[http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)
              >[http://welshandgrumpy.me](http://welshandgrumpy.me)
              >
              >On 08/02/2012 15:03, Colin Jenkins wrote:
              >>
              >>
              >>Hi Mike,
              >>
              >>I would say that most events use a rating

based
>>on class, not competitor, so (ignoring rating

              >>files for the moment), the same rating has to

              >>be set over and over again as you enter the
              >>competitors. Sailwave helps, but essentially
              >>that is true and if you decide to change the
              >>rating for a class (you got it wrong say), you

              >>have to change it N times - once for every
              >>competitor of that class. As you say, other
              >>events need a rating per competitor - e.g. big

              >>boat racing. And also as you say when scoring

              >>the same results with different ratings you
              >>need (in your case) 3 ratings per competitor.
              >>
              >>What I'm proposing is that there are no

ratings
>>in competitors. Instead there will be a
>>Setup+Ratings window with a list of ratings
for
>>use in that series. All in one place. Each
>>line can set a rating based on o set of
>>criteria. When looking for the rating of a
>>competitor when scoring, Sailwave scans the
>>list and uses the first applicable one.
>>
>>Most commonly rating systems will be set up by
class:-
>>
>>class=laser, ratsys=py, races=, val=1078
>>class=dart18, ratsys=py, races=, val=800
>>
>>but if you want to be more specific you can
add competitor specific lines:-
>>
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=, value=1099
>>
>>and also set per race values
>>
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=1, value=1099
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=2, value=1096
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=3-, value=1091
>>
>>The UI will help you do this quickly. It means

              >>all rating into is in one place. It also means

              >>that per race ratings (personal handicaps) can

              >>be used per scoring system now as well.
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >>Cheers,
              >>Colin J
              >><[http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)>[http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)
              >>[http://welshandgrumpy.me](http://welshandgrumpy.me)
              >>
              >>On 08/02/2012 14:46, Mike wrote:
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>Still struggling a bit here, as to me the

              >>>rating of a competitor/boat combination is

a
>>>unique property of that competitor/boat.
Is
>>>the proposal that the rating tab specifies
a
>>>particular rating for a given
competitor/boat
>>>combination? (The driving force being that
I
>>>only want to enter 1 result for a given
>>>competitor/boat.) Note that all systems I
use
>>>have the same corrected time calculation,
it’s
>>>just the handicaps that vary. (Maybe I’m
just
>>>having a problem with descriptions /
words?)
>>>Mike
>>>Lancing SC
>>>
>>>No virus found in this message.
>>>Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com >

Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database:
2112/4795 - Release Date: 02/07/12

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Checked by AVG - <>
Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database:
2112/4795 - Release Date: 02/07/12

            No

virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4795 -
Release Date: 02/07/12

www.avg.com

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16

How about one for Scoring And Handicaps, I find all this stuff about the intricacies of weird scoring system pretty boring. We always use PY, so that's really all I'm interested in.

cheers
Tony

···

At 15:28 08/02/2012, Colin Jenkins wrote:

3 unsubscribed now!

Cheers,
Colin J
<http://sailwave.com>http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

On 08/02/2012 15:22, Colin Jenkins wrote:

Thanks Tony. I've just setup Redmine to handle issue tracking and development so I will use that in the future for this sort of thing. Operational very soon...

Cheers,
Colin J
<http://sailwave.com>http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

On 08/02/2012 15:15, Tony Tucker wrote:

Hi Colin

I think there should be (at least 2 groups). I would recommend:

Scoring & Handicap Questions
Sailwave Support
Sailwave Futures

That would keep the Results sec who uses
Sailwave in a very straightforward way from all
the rest, which in truth may not be of interest,

cheers
Tony

At 15:06 08/02/2012, Colin Jenkins wrote:
>
>Two people (so far) have unsubscribed after I
>posted my proposals email. Why? This always
>seems to happen when I try and discuss
>something. Simon S denies it happens but... :slight_smile:
>
>Cheers,
>Colin J
><<http://sailwave.com>http://sailwave.com>http://sailwave.com
><http://welshandgrumpy.me>http://welshandgrumpy.me
>
>On 08/02/2012 15:03, Colin Jenkins wrote:
>>
>>Hi Mike,
>>
>>I would say that most events use a rating based
>>on class, not competitor, so (ignoring rating
>>files for the moment), the same rating has to
>>be set over and over again as you enter the
>>competitors. Sailwave helps, but essentially
>>that is true and if you decide to change the
>>rating for a class (you got it wrong say), you
>>have to change it N times - once for every
>>competitor of that class. As you say, other
>>events need a rating per competitor - e.g. big
>>boat racing. And also as you say when scoring
>>the same results with different ratings you
>>need (in your case) 3 ratings per competitor.
>>
>>What I'm proposing is that there are no ratings
>>in competitors. Instead there will be a
>>Setup+Ratings window with a list of ratings for
>>use in that series. All in one place. Each
>>line can set a rating based on o set of
>>criteria. When looking for the rating of a
>>competitor when scoring, Sailwave scans the
>>list and uses the first applicable one.
>>
>>Most commonly rating systems will be set up by class:-
>>
>>class=laser, ratsys=py, races=*, val=1078
>>class=dart18, ratsys=py, races=*, val=800
>>
>>but if you want to be more specific you can add competitor specific lines:-
>>
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=*, value=1099
>>
>>and also set per race values
>>
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=1, value=1099
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=2, value=1096
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=3-*, value=1091
>>
>>The UI will help you do this quickly. It means
>>all rating into is in one place. It also means
>>that per race ratings (personal handicaps) can
>>be used per scoring system now as well.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Colin J
>><<http://sailwave.com>http://sailwave.com>http://sailwave.com
>><http://welshandgrumpy.me>http://welshandgrumpy.me
>>
>>On 08/02/2012 14:46, Mike wrote:
>>>
>>>Still struggling a bit here, as to me the
>>>rating of a competitor/boat combination is a
>>>unique property of that competitor/boat. Is
>>>the proposal that the rating tab specifies a
>>>particular rating for a given competitor/boat
>>>combination? (The driving force being that I
>>>only want to enter 1 result for a given
>>>competitor/boat.) Note that all systems I use
>>>have the same corrected time calculation, it's
>>>just the handicaps that vary. (Maybe I'm just
>>>having a problem with descriptions / words?)
>>>Mike
>>>Lancing SC
>>>
>>>No virus found in this message.
>>>Checked by AVG - <<http://www.avg.com>http://www.avg.com>www.avg.com
>>>Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4795 - Release Date: 02/07/12
>>
>>No virus found in this message.
>>Checked by AVG - <<http://www.avg.com>http://www.avg.com>www.avg.com
>>Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4795 - Release Date: 02/07/12
>

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com>www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4795 - Release Date: 02/07/12

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Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com>www.avg.com
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17

Chill Colin, go play some piano, which you are actually good at, before you completely trash the SUG!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8H0VDCNbQA&feature=player_embedded

···

On 8 February 2012 15:28, Colin Jenkins colin@sailwave.com wrote:

3 unsubscribed now!

Cheers,

  Colin J

  [http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)

  [http://welshandgrumpy.me](http://welshandgrumpy.me)

On 08/02/2012 15:22, Colin Jenkins wrote:

            Thanks Tony.  I've just setup

Redmine to handle issue tracking and development so I
will use that in the future for this sort of thing.
Operational very soon…

Cheers,

          Colin J

          [http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)

          [http://welshandgrumpy.me](http://welshandgrumpy.me)

        On 08/02/2012 15:15, Tony Tucker wrote:

Hi Colin

              I think there should be (at least 2 groups). I would

recommend:

              Scoring & Handicap Questions
              Sailwave Support
              Sailwave Futures

              That would keep the Results sec who uses
              Sailwave in a very straightforward way from all
              the rest, which in truth may not be of interest,

              cheers
              Tony

              At 15:06 08/02/2012, Colin Jenkins wrote:
              >
              >
              >Two people (so far) have unsubscribed after I
              >posted my proposals email. Why? This always
              >seems to happen when I try and discuss
              >something. Simon S denies it happens but... :)
              >
              >Cheers,
              >Colin J
              ><[http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)>[http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)
              >[http://welshandgrumpy.me](http://welshandgrumpy.me)
              >
              >On 08/02/2012 15:03, Colin Jenkins wrote:
              >>
              >>
              >>Hi Mike,
              >>
              >>I would say that most events use a rating

based
>>on class, not competitor, so (ignoring rating

              >>files for the moment), the same rating has to

              >>be set over and over again as you enter the
              >>competitors. Sailwave helps, but essentially
              >>that is true and if you decide to change the
              >>rating for a class (you got it wrong say), you

              >>have to change it N times - once for every
              >>competitor of that class. As you say, other
              >>events need a rating per competitor - e.g. big

              >>boat racing. And also as you say when scoring

              >>the same results with different ratings you
              >>need (in your case) 3 ratings per competitor.
              >>
              >>What I'm proposing is that there are no

ratings
>>in competitors. Instead there will be a
>>Setup+Ratings window with a list of ratings
for
>>use in that series. All in one place. Each
>>line can set a rating based on o set of
>>criteria. When looking for the rating of a
>>competitor when scoring, Sailwave scans the
>>list and uses the first applicable one.
>>
>>Most commonly rating systems will be set up by
class:-
>>
>>class=laser, ratsys=py, races=, val=1078
>>class=dart18, ratsys=py, races=, val=800
>>
>>but if you want to be more specific you can
add competitor specific lines:-
>>
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=, value=1099
>>
>>and also set per race values
>>
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=1, value=1099
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=2, value=1096
>>sailno=89, rating=py, races=3-, value=1091
>>
>>The UI will help you do this quickly. It means

              >>all rating into is in one place. It also means

              >>that per race ratings (personal handicaps) can

              >>be used per scoring system now as well.
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >>Cheers,
              >>Colin J
              >><[http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)>[http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)
              >>[http://welshandgrumpy.me](http://welshandgrumpy.me)
              >>
              >>On 08/02/2012 14:46, Mike wrote:
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>Still struggling a bit here, as to me the

              >>>rating of a competitor/boat combination is

a
>>>unique property of that competitor/boat.
Is
>>>the proposal that the rating tab specifies
a
>>>particular rating for a given
competitor/boat
>>>combination? (The driving force being that
I
>>>only want to enter 1 result for a given
>>>competitor/boat.) Note that all systems I
use
>>>have the same corrected time calculation,
it’s
>>>just the handicaps that vary. (Maybe I’m
just
>>>having a problem with descriptions /
words?)
>>>Mike
>>>Lancing SC
>>>
>>>No virus found in this message.
>>>Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com>www.avg.com
>>>Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database:
2112/4795 - Release Date: 02/07/12
>>
>>No virus found in this message.
>>Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com>www.avg.com
>>Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database:
2112/4795 - Release Date: 02/07/12
>

            No

virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4795 -
Release Date: 02/07/12

    No virus

found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4795 - Release Date:
02/07/12

18

:slight_smile: not my best performance…

···

Cheers,

  Colin J

http://sailwave.com
http://welshandgrumpy.me

          Chill Colin, go play some piano, which you are actually

good at, before you completely trash the SUG!!

          [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8H0VDCNbQA&feature=player_embedded](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8H0VDCNbQA&feature=player_embedded)

          On 8 February 2012 15:28, Colin

Jenkins colin@sailwave.com
wrote:

�
3 unsubscribed now!

Cheers,

                        Colin J

                        [http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)

                        [http://welshandgrumpy.me](http://welshandgrumpy.me)

                        On 08/02/2012 15:22, Colin

Jenkins wrote:

�
Thanks Tony.�
I’ve just setup Redmine to handle
issue tracking and development so I
will use that in the future for this
sort of thing.� Operational very
soon…

Cheers,

                              Colin J

                              [http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)

                              [http://welshandgrumpy.me](http://welshandgrumpy.me)

                            On 08/02/2012 15:15, Tony Tucker wrote:

�
Hi Colin

                                  I think there should be (at least

2 groups). I would recommend:

                                  Scoring & Handicap Questions
                                  Sailwave Support
                                  Sailwave Futures

                                  That would keep the Results sec

who uses
Sailwave in a very straightforward
way from all
the rest, which in truth may not
be of interest,

                                  cheers
                                  Tony

                                  At 15:06 08/02/2012, Colin Jenkins

wrote:
>
>
>Two people (so far) have
unsubscribed after I
>posted my proposals email.
Why? This always
>seems to happen when I try and
discuss
>something. Simon S denies it
happens but… :slight_smile:
>
>Cheers,
>Colin J
><http://sailwave.com>http://sailwave.com
>http://welshandgrumpy.me
>
>On 08/02/2012 15:03, Colin
Jenkins wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hi Mike,
>>
>>I would say that most
events use a rating based
>>on class, not competitor,
so (ignoring rating
>>files for the moment), the
same rating has to
>>be set over and over again
as you enter the
>>competitors. Sailwave
helps, but essentially
>>that is true and if you
decide to change the
>>rating for a class (you
got it wrong say), you
>>have to change it N times

  • once for every
    >>competitor of that class.
    As you say, other
    >>events need a rating per
    competitor - e.g. big
    >>boat racing. And also as
    you say when scoring
    >>the same results with
    different ratings you
    >>need (in your case) 3
    ratings per competitor.
    >>
    >>What I’m proposing is that
    there are no ratings
    >>in competitors. Instead
    there will be a
    >>Setup+Ratings window with
    a list of ratings for
    >>use in that series. All in
    one place. Each
    >>line can set a rating
    based on o set of
    >>criteria. When looking for
    the rating of a
    >>competitor when scoring,
    Sailwave scans the
    >>list and uses the first
    applicable one.
    >>
    >>Most commonly rating
    systems will be set up by class:-
    >>
    >>class=laser, ratsys=py,
    races=, val=1078
    >>class=dart18, ratsys=py,
    races=    , val=800
    >>
    >>but if you want to be more
    specific you can add competitor
    specific lines:-
    >>
    >>sailno=89, rating=py,
    races=, value=1099
    >>
    >>and also set per race
    values
    >>
    >>sailno=89, rating=py,
    races=1, value=1099
    >>sailno=89, rating=py,
    races=2, value=1096
    >>sailno=89, rating=py,
    races=3-    , value=1091
    >>
    >>The UI will help you do
    this quickly. It means
    >>all rating into is in one
    place. It also means
    >>that per race ratings
    (personal handicaps) can
    >>be used per scoring system
    now as well.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>Cheers,
    >>Colin J
    >><http://sailwave.com>http://sailwave.com
    >>http://welshandgrumpy.me
    >>
    >>On 08/02/2012 14:46, Mike
    wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Still struggling a bit
    here, as to me the
    >>>rating of a
    competitor/boat combination is a
    >>>unique property of
    that competitor/boat. Is
    >>>the proposal that the
    rating tab specifies a
    >>>particular rating for
    a given competitor/boat
    >>>combination? (The
    driving force being that I
    >>>only want to enter 1
    result for a given
    >>>competitor/boat.) Note
    that all systems I use
    >>>have the same
    corrected time calculation, it’s
    >>>just the handicaps
    that vary. (Maybe I’m just
    >>>having a problem with
    descriptions / words?)
    >>>Mike
    >>>Lancing SC
    >>>
    >>>No virus found in this
    message.
    >>>Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com>www.avg.com
    >>>Version: 2012.0.1913 /
    Virus Database: 2112/4795 -
    Release Date: 02/07/12
    >>
    >>No virus found in this
    message.
    >>Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com>www.avg.com
    >>Version: 2012.0.1913 /
    Virus Database: 2112/4795 -
    Release Date: 02/07/12
    >
                                No

virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus
Database: 2112/4795 - Release Date:
02/07/12

                            No virus

found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database:
2112/4795 - Release Date: 02/07/12

    No virus

found in this message.
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19

I see that those fingers can produce (good) music as well as
excellent programming code!

··· 
regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield South Africa

          Chill Colin, go play some piano, which you are actually

good at, before you completely trash the SUG!!

          [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8H0VDCNbQA&feature=player_embedded](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8H0VDCNbQA&feature=player_embedded)

          On 8 February 2012 15:28, Colin

Jenkins colin@sailwave.com
wrote:

�
3 unsubscribed now!

Cheers,

                        Colin J

                        [http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)

                        [http://welshandgrumpy.me](http://welshandgrumpy.me)

                        On 08/02/2012 15:22, Colin

Jenkins wrote:

�
Thanks Tony.�
I’ve just setup Redmine to handle
issue tracking and development so I
will use that in the future for this
sort of thing.� Operational very
soon…

Cheers,

                              Colin J

                              [http://sailwave.com](http://sailwave.com)

                              [http://welshandgrumpy.me](http://welshandgrumpy.me)

                            On 08/02/2012 15:15, Tony Tucker wrote:

�
Hi Colin

                                  I think there should be (at least

2 groups). I would recommend:

                                  Scoring & Handicap Questions
                                  Sailwave Support
                                  Sailwave Futures

                                  That would keep the Results sec

who uses
Sailwave in a very straightforward
way from all
the rest, which in truth may not
be of interest,

                                  cheers
                                  Tony

                                  At 15:06 08/02/2012, Colin Jenkins

wrote:
>
>
>Two people (so far) have
unsubscribed after I
>posted my proposals email.
Why? This always
>seems to happen when I try and
discuss
>something. Simon S denies it
happens but… :slight_smile:
>
>Cheers,
>Colin J
><http://sailwave.com>http://sailwave.com
>http://welshandgrumpy.me
>
>On 08/02/2012 15:03, Colin
Jenkins wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hi Mike,
>>
>>I would say that most
events use a rating based
>>on class, not competitor,
so (ignoring rating
>>files for the moment), the
same rating has to
>>be set over and over again
as you enter the
>>competitors. Sailwave
helps, but essentially
>>that is true and if you
decide to change the
>>rating for a class (you
got it wrong say), you
>>have to change it N times

  • once for every
    >>competitor of that class.
    As you say, other
    >>events need a rating per
    competitor - e.g. big
    >>boat racing. And also as
    you say when scoring
    >>the same results with
    different ratings you
    >>need (in your case) 3
    ratings per competitor.
    >>
    >>What I’m proposing is that
    there are no ratings
    >>in competitors. Instead
    there will be a
    >>Setup+Ratings window with
    a list of ratings for
    >>use in that series. All in
    one place. Each
    >>line can set a rating
    based on o set of
    >>criteria. When looking for
    the rating of a
    >>competitor when scoring,
    Sailwave scans the
    >>list and uses the first
    applicable one.
    >>
    >>Most commonly rating
    systems will be set up by class:-
    >>
    >>class=laser, ratsys=py,
    races=, val=1078
    >>class=dart18, ratsys=py,
    races=    , val=800
    >>
    >>but if you want to be more
    specific you can add competitor
    specific lines:-
    >>
    >>sailno=89, rating=py,
    races=, value=1099
    >>
    >>and also set per race
    values
    >>
    >>sailno=89, rating=py,
    races=1, value=1099
    >>sailno=89, rating=py,
    races=2, value=1096
    >>sailno=89, rating=py,
    races=3-    , value=1091
    >>
    >>The UI will help you do
    this quickly. It means
    >>all rating into is in one
    place. It also means
    >>that per race ratings
    (personal handicaps) can
    >>be used per scoring system
    now as well.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>Cheers,
    >>Colin J
    >><http://sailwave.com>http://sailwave.com
    >>http://welshandgrumpy.me
    >>
    >>On 08/02/2012 14:46, Mike
    wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Still struggling a bit
    here, as to me the
    >>>rating of a
    competitor/boat combination is a
    >>>unique property of
    that competitor/boat. Is
    >>>the proposal that the
    rating tab specifies a
    >>>particular rating for
    a given competitor/boat
    >>>combination? (The
    driving force being that I
    >>>only want to enter 1
    result for a given
    >>>competitor/boat.) Note
    that all systems I use
    >>>have the same
    corrected time calculation, it’s
    >>>just the handicaps
    that vary. (Maybe I’m just
    >>>having a problem with
    descriptions / words?)
    >>>Mike
    >>>Lancing SC
    >>>
    >>>No virus found in this
    message.
    >>>Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com>www.avg.com
    >>>Version: 2012.0.1913 /
    Virus Database: 2112/4795 -
    Release Date: 02/07/12
    >>
    >>No virus found in this
    message.
    >>Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com>www.avg.com
    >>Version: 2012.0.1913 /
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:05 AM
To: Sailwave User Group
Subject: [sailwave] proposed change for aliases and scoring system overrides

The two areas I find people have most confusion with is aliases and scoring system overrides. Both are commonly needed. They are also inter-related. I propose this change, which is intended to make them both easier to use. It also extends scoring systems to be only applied to a selection of races - something people ask for a lot. It also saved the current slog setting up aliases one by one.

Replace the existing single list in Sailwave with a number of tabs.

The first tab is called “Competitors” and is a list of the competitors and fields, no races.

The second tab is called “Races” - one per column with the starts defined as per now.

Other tabs represent scoring systems. One per tab. No overrides. You can set the scoring system up to score as one group or by some field as now. Here’s the difference - each scoring system/tab has associated expressions to choose which competitors to useand another to choose which races to use.

When scoring from the toolbar it scores all scoring system tabs. But you can also score scoring systems individually from the appropriate tab.

When publishing you can choose which scoring systems to include.

You can then do pretty much anything you like including a whole SfG regatta in one file - undesirable for practical reasons but possible.

Example. Club race, two fleets, mono and multi. monos use PY, multis use SCHRS. Two scoring system tabs.

Example. One PY handicap regatta, want to see usual results, also results scored by USA PY. No need to use aliases - just add a tab - setup the scoring system - expressions includes all competitors.

Example. long club series but also wants results for weekend races. Add tab - set races expr appropriately.

Etc.

What do you think…?

Personally I think it’s much clearer how to use. Essentially the screen is split into 1. a list of competitors, 2. “how the boats physically sailed” (Races tab) and 3. N “how i’m going to score the boats” (scoring system tabs)

No aliases needed. No scoring system overrides needed.

No changes to publishing as you can include as many of the scoring tabs as you like.

PS: Qual/Finals no change for now - though there is scope for splitting between two tabs which would make things clearer as well…

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Colin J
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http://welshandgrumpy.me