Rule A6.2 only applies when a boat is granted redress. The relevant rules to review are rule 64.2 and rule A10. Rule A6.1 applies when a boat is disqualified.
64.2 Decisions on Redress
When the protest committee decides that a boat is entitled to redress
under rule 62, it shall make as fair an arrangement as possible for all
boats affected, whether or not they asked for redress. This may be to
adjust the scoring (see rule A10 for some examples) or finishing
times of boats, to abandon the race, to let the results stand or to make
some other arrangement. When in doubt about the facts or probable
results of any arrangement for the race or series, especially before
abandoning the race, the protest committee shall take evidence from
appropriate sources.
A6 CHANGES IN PLACES AND SCORES OF OTHER BOATS
A6.1 If a boat is disqualified from a race or retires after finishing, each
boat with a worse finishing place shall be moved up one place.
A6.2 If the protest committee decides to give redress by adjusting a boat's
score, the scores of other boats shall not be changed unless the
protest committee decides otherwise.
A10 GUIDANCE ON REDRESS
If the protest committee decides to give redress by adjusting a boat's
score for a race, it is advised to consider scoring her
(a) points equal to the average, to the nearest tenth of a point (0.05
to be rounded upward), of her points in all the races in the
series except the race in question;
(b) points equal to the average, to the nearest tenth of a point (0.05
to be rounded upward), of her points in all the races before the
race in question; or
(c) points based on the position of the boat in the race at the time
of the incident that justified redress.
Mark Townsend s_mark_townsend@...
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: columbia_34_sailor@...
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:18:12 +0000
Subject: [sailwave] Re: help scoring doesn't rank anyone 1st
A6.2 is an interesting rule, that I was unaware of until now. It appears to read like the default decision is that the scores of other boats shall not be changed and special notice must be made if otherwise.
I've been racing since the late 70's and I studied the rules in depth during the first 10 - 15 years to be informed and knowledgeable. I've followed up on a number of protests over the years and have never been aware of a case where the protest committee decided that the scores of the other boats shall not be changed.
I just scored a race where Protest Committee DSQ'd the first place finisher so I deleted their elapsed time and entered a Code: DSQ. Sailwave changed the score of the others in the race to 1st, 2nd 3rd, etc.
Does anyone know what criteria or under what circumstances a protest committee might decide that the scores of other boats shall not be changed?
Always interested in learning,
Bobt
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Mark Townsend <s_mark_townsend@> wrote:
>
>
> The reference should be to Rule A6.2 and not A6(b). In the RRS 2001-2004 the rule number was A6(b), it was renumbered to A6.2 in RRS 2005-2008. Rule A6.2 and A6(b) before it read:
>
> A6.2 If the protest committee decides to give redress by adjusting a boat's
> score, the scores of other boats shall not be changed unless the
> protest committee decides otherwise.
>
> COLIN,
>
> The wording on the "Edit Scoring Code" window needs to be fixed; it currently reads
>
>
> "This is a code where A6b applies (other boat scores are not changed)"
>
> as the rule has been renumbered it should reads\
>
>
> "This is a code where A6.2 applies (other boat scores are not changed)"
>
>
>
> Mark Townsend s_mark_townsend@
>
>
>
>
>
> To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> From: columbia_34_sailor@
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 22:21:07 +0000
> Subject: [sailwave] Re: help scoring doesn't rank anyone 1st
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Malcom, HUW and all,
>
> Thanks for your initiative, commitment and perseverence to help me figure this out. I was almost out the door, but decided to check one more time before leaving and found your reply.
>
> I quickly tried it and it appears to have worked well.
>
> I need to pull out the rule book and see what A6b is. Is this a Racing Rule scoring rule or is it a sailwave parameter?
>
> Thanks again.
> Bobt
>
> --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Malcolm Osborne" <malcolmo@> wrote:
> >
> > Select `Scoring System', then the Tab `Scoring Codes'. On the list that is then shown, you will see the FIP code. Select that, then `Edit'
> >
> > In the Edit Scoring Code window that opens, select the `Properties' tab.
> >
> > Here, you will see the `Rule A6b' option - as Huw said, if you clear that, then the scoring is done correctly.
> >
> > regards,
> > Malcolm Osborne
> > Sedgefield, South Africa
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: sailor_bobt
> > To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 7:59 PM
> > Subject: [sailwave] Re: help scoring doesn't rank anyone 1st
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm still trying all ideas on my copy of the file. I can't find the properties of the FIP scoring code or the tick mark. When I edit the competitors race results I select Recorded Result / Code / then select FIP from the drop down menu of choices and 5 from the drop down menu of Points choices. When I rescore after doing this, no one ranks 1st in the race.
> >
> > Final Series Races will be held tomorrow and results and awards will be determined and presented tomorrow evening. Will continue to use DNF and use rescore to calculate 6th in lieu of the FIP-5 if I don't find another way to fix it.
> >
> > I'm more interested in resolving this problem for future use than this current series use.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bobt
> >
> > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I have just had a look at this problem and used Malcolm's message as a
> > > starting point. I looked at the properties of the scoring code FIP and
> > > noticed that it had a tick beside 'This is a code where rule A6b
> > > applies...', taking the check mark away, clicking OK and then re-scoring
> > > gives the highest rank in Races 2 & 3 as being 1st 
> > >
> > > This what I hope Bob you are wanting.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Huw
> > >
> > > On 14/10/2010 12:22, Malcolm Osborne wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I tried changing the FIP score to a corrected time greater than 4th
> > > > place. Rescoring produces correct scoring.
> > > > This confirms that its the assigned place that is causing the problem
> > > > - but I'm not sure what is causing it or what the best solution is.
> > > > regards,
> > > > Malcolm Osborne
> > > > Sedgefield, South Africa
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > *From:* sailor_bobt <mailto:columbia_34_sailor@>
> > > > *To:* sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:05 AM
> > > > *Subject:* [sailwave] Re: help scoring doesn't rank anyone 1st
> > > >
> > > > I have Sailwave version 2.02 build 5 on my desktop. I went back
> > > > and changed my DNF's back to FIP 5 then rescored and it didn't
> > > > work for me. I was back to my original problem with no first place
> > > > finisher.
> > > >
> > > > Bobt
> > > >
> > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "John Tiano" <jtiano@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > works fine. used 202.5
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> > > > > Of Bob Thackery
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:23 AM
> > > > > To: Bob Thackery; sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [sailwave] help scoring doesn't rank anyone 1st [1
> > > > Attachment]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Attachment(s) from Bob Thackery included below]
> > > > >
> > > > > I goofed up and sent you the spin file in my earlier email. It
> > > > doesn't have
> > > > > the
> > > > > problem. I'm attaching the jam file to this message. It has the
> > > > problem
> > > > > with
> > > > > no first places.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Bob
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > > From: Bob Thackery <columbia_34_sailor@
> > > > > <mailto:columbia_34_sailor%40yahoo.com> >
> > > > > To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 9:14:14 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [sailwave] help scoring doesn't rank anyone 1st
> > > > >
> > > > > colin j,
> > > > >
> > > > > The sailwave file is attached. If you can figure out how to fix
> > > > this, I'd
> > > > > love
> > > > > to know so I can try the same in the future if the need arises.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I seem to still be on a probationary list for posting
> > > > messages to the
> > > > > group, where my messages have to be screened before posting. Is
> > > > there
> > > > > something
> > > > >
> > > > > I need to do to evolve to direct posting? I've been a member of
> > > > several
> > > > > other
> > > > > yahoo groups for years and not had to deal with this. Just
> > > > wishing for
> > > > > quicker
> > > > > posting and replies.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have the sailwave software installed on my desktop and my
> > > > laptop and I've
> > > > > been exploring the use of USPN2008 ratings and scoring system. I
> > > > created a
> > > > > excel csv file from US Sailings Portsmouth Yardstick ratings for
> > > > all classes
> > > > > of
> > > > > boats, which I tested months ago, but I haven't had time to
> > > > explore much. I
> > > > >
> > > > > also found a similar file in the sailwave / attachments section this
> > > > > morning.
> > > > > I'm trying to copy files back and forth between the two
> > > > computers. The
> > > > > laptop
> > > > > is necessary to be able to score races at the lake. The desktop
> > > > at home is
> > > > > much
> > > > >
> > > > > quicker and easier to use. I've been emailing with attachments
> > > > to transfer
> > > > > files between the computers and keep them sync'd to some degree.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Bob
> > > > >
> > > > > Re: [sailwave] help scoring doesn't rank anyone 1st
> > > > >
> > > > > bob, attach your sailwave file (.blw) file to a message to the
> > > > group - e.g.
> > > > > a
> > > > > reply to this. the group accepts attachments and it's always a
> > > > good idea to
> > > > >
> > > > > attach the file in question...
> > > > > colin j
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/10/2010 22:41, sailor_bobt wrote:
> > > > > I'm using sailwave 2.02 build 4. I've entered racin info and
> > > > results for 9
> > > > > races. Races 1 & 4 thru 9 have 1st places but races 2 & 3 have
> > > > 2nd place as
> > > > > the
> > > > > highest rank after scoring. I've tried deleting the finish times
> > > > for all
> > > > > entrants then reentering them and rescoring, but there's no
> > > > difference in
> > > > > the
> > > > > results. Does anyone have any idea of how to resolve this
> > > > problem? I've
> > > > > tried
> > > > > searching the messages, but haven't thought of a good search to
> > > > find any
> > > > > information on this phenomenon. I can download or email someone
> > > > a copy of
> > > > > the
> > > > > file if it will help. Our last race in the series will be
> > > > Saturday, Oct
> > > > > 16th.
> > > > > I'd like to resolve this problem before then so I may print out
> > > > the results
> > > > > and
> > > > > not have to explain the discrepancy to all the racers. Thanks, bob
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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