Questions/problems regarding qualifying final races

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Hi

I have the following problems questions:

1. Se the attachment flights_test_q4.blw. Everything works ok until I start to enter results for Q5. Then every thing regarding flight assignments disappear and it is impossible to calculate a result. However if I also assign groups to F1 race it works ok for Q5.

2. Se the attachment flights_test_q61.blw.When we have sailed the qualifying races I reassign the groups in F1-F5 to Gold,Silver and Bronze. I have checked the function "Do not recalculate qualifying race points when at least one final race has been sailed" but when I have enter results for F1 and hit Rescore, race Q1-Q5 are still recalculated. Do I miss some thing here? I thought that the Q1-5 values would be the "frozen".

3 If you have a two copy's of the same sailor but one of them is tagged excluded the "sail num wizard" still complains that there exist two sailors with the same sail number. Should the "sail num wizard" also check excluded sailors?

I'm running the latest version 1.93 build 3

/Mikael

flights_test_q4.blw (39.6 KB)

flights_test_q61.blw (44.1 KB)

2

Colin, Ralph and Martin,

26 of june the swedish
youth championships starts (450 dinghies, 50 % optis) so it is important to
solve these problems. I have followed (I think) Ralphs instructions, but the
final series does not work for me at all. When creating the final flights
(fleets), filling in results and score final all results of the Q dissapear.

I used field “Seeding”
for qalifications and “Fleet” for final. Have a Qual scoring system
and a Final scoring system. Yes I used the seeding tool.

Regards

···

**** Anders
Landenstad**** Svensk
Juniorsegling

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fam Lexén
Sent: den 12 juni 2006 00:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave]
Questions/problems regarding qualifying final races

Hi

I have the following problems questions:

  1. Se the attachment flights_test_q4.blw. Everything works ok until I

start to enter results for Q5. Then every thing regarding flight

assignments disappear and it is impossible to calculate a result.

However if I also assign groups to F1 race it works ok for Q5.

  1. Se the attachment flights_test_q61.blw.When we have sailed the

qualifying races I reassign the groups in F1-F5 to Gold,Silver and

Bronze. I have checked the function "Do not recalculate qualifying race

points when at least one final race has been sailed" but when I have

enter results for F1 and hit Rescore, race Q1-Q5 are still recalculated.

Do I miss some thing here? I thought that the Q1-5 values would be the

“frozen”.

3 If you have a two copy’s of the same sailor but one of them is tagged

excluded the “sail num wizard” still complains that there exist two

sailors with the same sail number. Should the “sail num wizard” also

check excluded sailors?

I’m running the latest version 1.93 build 3

/Mikael

3

Anders/Mikael - will look at problems ASAP. Just catching up with some real work and other stuff.

Colin

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Anders Landenstad
Sent: 12 June 2006 14:01
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final races

Colin, Ralph and Martin,

26 of june the swedish youth championships starts (450 dinghies, 50 % optis) so it is important to solve these problems. I have followed (I think) Ralphs instructions, but the final series does not work for me at all. When creating the final flights (fleets), filling in results and score final all results of the Q dissapear.

I used field “Seeding” for qalifications and “Fleet” for final. Have a Qual scoring system and a Final scoring system. Yes I used the seeding tool.

Regards

**** Anders Landenstad**** Svensk Juniorsegling

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fam Lexén
Sent: den 12 juni 2006 00:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final races

Hi

I have the following problems questions:

  1. Se the attachment flights_test_ q4.blw. Everything works ok until I
    start to enter results for Q5. Then every thing regarding flight
    assignments disappear and it is impossible to calculate a result.
    However if I also assign groups to F1 race it works ok for Q5.

  2. Se the attachment flights_test_ q61.blw.When we have sailed the
    qualifying races I reassign the groups in F1-F5 to Gold,Silver and
    Bronze. I have checked the function “Do not recalculate qualifying race
    points when at least one final race has been sailed” but when I have
    enter results for F1 and hit Rescore, race Q1-Q5 are still recalculated.
    Do I miss some thing here? I thought that the Q1-5 values would be the
    “frozen”.

3 If you have a two copy’s of the same sailor but one of them is tagged
excluded the “sail num wizard” still complains that there exist two
sailors with the same sail number. Should the “sail num wizard” also
check excluded sailors?

I’m running the latest version 1.93 build 3

/Mikael

4

Hi Mikael

Not sure where to start & keep it simple.

Well here goes

TEST Q4

  1. You appear to have used the flight assignment tool correctly to allocate flights for Q1 to Q5,

  2. You DO NOT need to fill in a flights column when using the flight tool during Q races

  3. When scoring, you must use the first option - Score all as one group…

Don’t choose to sort results by… as the whole point of flights is looking at everyone together

This will then produce an overall series score for all the three flights together

One of your problems is that because you did not set up separate starts, sail num wizard has placed all boats as one fleet

If you look at view by finishes, you have 1st to 16th instead of 1st to 5th/6th.

I suspect that this is why Sailwave is saying ‘OUCH!!’

PS, you should not select the tie break option of ‘boats must be in same start’ as you will never break ties in your example.

This option is only to be used for the ‘Round Robin’ type of flights racing, which does not have finals anyway

TEST Q61

When moving to the Finals DO NOT use the flight assignment tool

Simply, score the series as a whole at the end of Q series

then fill in your flight column manually with gold silver & bronze.

Ticking ‘Do not recalculate…’ probably does not work because you did not set up/score the Q series correctly

TAGGED EXCLUDED

Don’t know about this

Will leave to Colin to deal with

SUMMARY

I keep promising to publish the Help notes but they seem to get put further & further down the list of sailing jobs :frowning:

I have attached a copy of my DRAFT notes which were based upon v1.93 06-05-04

Have a look at them. They are generally OK for the Q series & part of the Finals but stopped until Colin had made one or two amendments (issued in 1.93b3)

I see Anders also has a problem so I cannot spend too much time on checking if my suggestions work for you

Keep an eye on my reply to Anders & let me know how you got on

Regards

Ralph

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-----Original Message-----
From: Fam Lexén [mailto:pren_lexen@fastmail.fm]
Sent: 11 June 2006 23:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final races

Hi

I have the following problems questions:

  1. Se the attachment flights_test_q4.blw. Everything works ok until I
    start to enter results for Q5. Then every thing regarding flight
    assignments disappear and it is impossible to calculate a result.
    However if I also assign groups to F1 race it works ok for Q5.

  2. Se the attachment flights_test_q61.blw.When we have sailed the
    qualifying races I reassign the groups in F1-F5 to Gold,Silver and
    Bronze. I have checked the function “Do not recalculate qualifying race
    points when at least one final race has been sailed” but when I have
    enter results for F1 and hit Rescore, race Q1-Q5 are still recalculated.
    Do I miss some thing here? I thought that the Q1-5 values would be the
    “frozen”.

3 If you have a two copy’s of the same sailor but one of them is tagged
excluded the “sail num wizard” still complains that there exist two
sailors with the same sail number. Should the “sail num wizard” also
check excluded sailors?

I’m running the latest version 1.93 build 3

/Mikael

5

Hi Anders

Just to let you know that I have picked up your problem

Can’t see anything obvious yet

Tried v1.93b3 with my test files & data & it works OK

Working on some ideas

Regards

Ralph

···

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@juniorsegling.se]
Sent: 12 June 2006 14:01
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final races

Colin, Ralph and Martin,

26 of june the swedish youth championships starts (450 dinghies, 50 % optis) so it is important to solve these problems. I have followed (I think) Ralphs instructions, but the final series does not work for me at all. When creating the final flights (fleets), filling in results and score final all results of the Q dissapear.

I used field “Seeding” for qalifications and “Fleet” for final. Have a Qual scoring system and a Final scoring system. Yes I used the seeding tool.

Regards

**** Anders Landenstad**** Svensk Juniorsegling

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fam Lexén
Sent: den 12 juni 2006 00:42
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final races

Hi

I have the following problems questions:

  1. Se the attachment flights_test_ q4.blw. Everything works ok until I
    start to enter results for Q5. Then every thing regarding flight
    assignments disappear and it is impossible to calculate a result.
    However if I also assign groups to F1 race it works ok for Q5.

  2. Se the attachment flights_test_ q61.blw.When we have sailed the
    qualifying races I reassign the groups in F1-F5 to Gold,Silver and
    Bronze. I have checked the function “Do not recalculate qualifying race
    points when at least one final race has been sailed” but when I have
    enter results for F1 and hit Rescore, race Q1-Q5 are still recalculated.
    Do I miss some thing here? I thought that the Q1-5 values would be the
    “frozen”.

3 If you have a two copy’s of the same sailor but one of them is tagged
excluded the “sail num wizard” still complains that there exist two
sailors with the same sail number. Should the “sail num wizard” also
check excluded sailors?

I’m running the latest version 1.93 build 3

/Mikael

6

To fill in som information:

It is the same problem - I will be at the regatta.

There will be 220 Optimists divided into 5 groups, 2 groups with girls
and 3 groups wit boys. All competitors stays in the same group (flight)
during the qualifications. The Qual series must be published
"flightwise". Top 3rd goes to GOLD after Qualification, next 3rd to
SILVER... for the boys and the girls with bee seeded into just GOLD and
SILVER 50/50.

Then we have the Europe dinghy..... same system!

Regards

Anders

Hi Anders

Just to let you know that I have picked up your problem

Can't see anything obvious yet
Tried v1.93b3 with my test files & data & it works OK

Working on some ideas

Regards
Ralph

From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@…]
Sent: 12 June 2006 14:01
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final
races

Colin, Ralph and Martin,

26 of june the swedish youth championships starts (450 dinghies, 50 %
optis) so it is important to solve these problems. I have followed (I

think)

Ralphs instructions, but the final series does not work for me at all.

When

creating the final flights (fleets), filling in results and score

final all

results of the Q dissapear.

I used field "Seeding" for qalifications and "Fleet"

for final. Have a

Qual scoring system and a Final scoring system. Yes I used the seeding

tool.

Regards
________________________________________________
Anders Landenstad
Svensk Juniorsegling

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-----Original Message-----

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf

Of Fam Lexén
Sent: den 12 juni 2006 00:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final

races

Hi

I have the following problems questions:

1. Se the attachment flights_test_q4.blw. Everything works ok until I
start to enter results for Q5. Then every thing regarding flight
assignments disappear and it is impossible to calculate a result.
However if I also assign groups to F1 race it works ok for Q5.

2. Se the attachment flights_test_q61.blw.When we have sailed the
qualifying races I reassign the groups in F1-F5 to Gold,Silver and
Bronze. I have checked the function "Do not recalculate qualifying

race

points when at least one final race has been sailed" but when I have
enter results for F1 and hit Rescore, race Q1-Q5 are still

recalculated.

Do I miss some thing here? I thought that the Q1-5 values would be the
"frozen".

3 If you have a two copy's of the same sailor but one of them is

tagged

excluded the "sail num wizard" still complains that there exist two
sailors with the same sail number. Should the "sail num wizard" also
check excluded sailors?

I'm running the latest version 1.93 build 3

/Mikael

7

Anders,

Set up scoring system for flights etc.

Put all optimists in one file.

Assign flight for Q races - only need to do this once since they will not
change. Make sure that the tickbox to say "use same flight" in
Edit+Competitor is *not* checked.

Put the same assignments in the Fleet field.

Score Q races as one group using the 'extract' option to extract by fleet.
i.e. everybody has sailed as one group but your choosing to sort the reuslts
by fleet.

After the last Q race, score everybody as one group and *do not* extract by
fleet.

Then use the seend competitor field tool to do an "equal groups" seeding on
the finals fleets and assign to the fleet field.

Now socre by fleet for the remainder of the series.

Make sure all starts are set up correctly.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

Behalf Of Anders Landenstad

···

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Sent: 13 June 2006 06:36
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying final
races

To fill in som information:

It is the same problem - I will be at the regatta.

There will be 220 Optimists divided into 5 groups, 2 groups with girls
and 3 groups wit boys. All competitors stays in the same group (flight)
during the qualifications. The Qual series must be published
"flightwise". Top 3rd goes to GOLD after Qualification, next 3rd to
SILVER... for the boys and the girls with bee seeded into just GOLD and
SILVER 50/50.

Then we have the Europe dinghy..... same system!

Regards

Anders

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Tingle" <rat@...> wrote:

Hi Anders

Just to let you know that I have picked up your problem

Can't see anything obvious yet
Tried v1.93b3 with my test files & data & it works OK

Working on some ideas

Regards
Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@…]
Sent: 12 June 2006 14:01
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final
races

Colin, Ralph and Martin,

26 of june the swedish youth championships starts (450 dinghies, 50 %
optis) so it is important to solve these problems. I have followed (I

think)

Ralphs instructions, but the final series does not work for me at all.

When

creating the final flights (fleets), filling in results and score

final all

results of the Q dissapear.

I used field "Seeding" for qalifications and "Fleet"

for final. Have a

Qual scoring system and a Final scoring system. Yes I used the seeding

tool.

Regards
________________________________________________
Anders Landenstad
Svensk Juniorsegling

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf

Of Fam Lex�n
Sent: den 12 juni 2006 00:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final

races

Hi

I have the following problems questions:

1. Se the attachment flights_test_q4.blw. Everything works ok until I
start to enter results for Q5. Then every thing regarding flight
assignments disappear and it is impossible to calculate a result.
However if I also assign groups to F1 race it works ok for Q5.

2. Se the attachment flights_test_q61.blw.When we have sailed the
qualifying races I reassign the groups in F1-F5 to Gold,Silver and
Bronze. I have checked the function "Do not recalculate qualifying

race

points when at least one final race has been sailed" but when I have
enter results for F1 and hit Rescore, race Q1-Q5 are still

recalculated.

Do I miss some thing here? I thought that the Q1-5 values would be the
"frozen".

3 If you have a two copy's of the same sailor but one of them is

tagged

excluded the "sail num wizard" still complains that there exist two
sailors with the same sail number. Should the "sail num wizard" also
check excluded sailors?

I'm running the latest version 1.93 build 3

/Mikael

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Anders,

Actually you dont need to use the flight field at all - its really there for
when boats are changing race by race. Pick two fields, say fleet and
division and use them for the intial group assignments and the finals
assignments. Use the BigFleets and Finals/Medal options in the scoring
system appropriately - make sure you have "Do not recalculate qualifying
race points when at least one finals race has been sailed" ticked, other
when you are scoring the finals by divisioin (or whatever field you choose)
the points will change to be relative to the fleet size.

You only need to actually use the flight field if they are going to change
frequently. One change betwen Q and F races can be handled without using
them.

CJ

Behalf Of Colin Jenkins

···

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Sent: 13 June 2006 08:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying
final races

Anders,

Set up scoring system for flights etc.

Put all optimists in one file.

Assign flight for Q races - only need to do this once since they will not
change. Make sure that the tickbox to say "use same flight" in
Edit+Competitor is *not* checked.

Put the same assignments in the Fleet field.

Score Q races as one group using the 'extract' option to extract by fleet.
i.e. everybody has sailed as one group but your choosing to sort the reuslts
by fleet.

After the last Q race, score everybody as one group and *do not* extract by
fleet.

Then use the seend competitor field tool to do an "equal groups" seeding on
the finals fleets and assign to the fleet field.

Now socre by fleet for the remainder of the series.

Make sure all starts are set up correctly.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Anders Landenstad
Sent: 13 June 2006 06:36
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying final
races

To fill in som information:

It is the same problem - I will be at the regatta.

There will be 220 Optimists divided into 5 groups, 2 groups with girls
and 3 groups wit boys. All competitors stays in the same group (flight)
during the qualifications. The Qual series must be published
"flightwise". Top 3rd goes to GOLD after Qualification, next 3rd to
SILVER... for the boys and the girls with bee seeded into just GOLD and
SILVER 50/50.

Then we have the Europe dinghy..... same system!

Regards

Anders

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Tingle" <rat@...> wrote:

Hi Anders

Just to let you know that I have picked up your problem

Can't see anything obvious yet
Tried v1.93b3 with my test files & data & it works OK

Working on some ideas

Regards
Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@…]
Sent: 12 June 2006 14:01
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final
races

Colin, Ralph and Martin,

26 of june the swedish youth championships starts (450 dinghies, 50 %
optis) so it is important to solve these problems. I have followed (I

think)

Ralphs instructions, but the final series does not work for me at all.

When

creating the final flights (fleets), filling in results and score

final all

results of the Q dissapear.

I used field "Seeding" for qalifications and "Fleet"

for final. Have a

Qual scoring system and a Final scoring system. Yes I used the seeding

tool.

Regards
________________________________________________
Anders Landenstad
Svensk Juniorsegling

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----

--

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf

Of Fam Lex�n
Sent: den 12 juni 2006 00:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final

races

Hi

I have the following problems questions:

1. Se the attachment flights_test_q4.blw. Everything works ok until I
start to enter results for Q5. Then every thing regarding flight
assignments disappear and it is impossible to calculate a result.
However if I also assign groups to F1 race it works ok for Q5.

2. Se the attachment flights_test_q61.blw.When we have sailed the
qualifying races I reassign the groups in F1-F5 to Gold,Silver and
Bronze. I have checked the function "Do not recalculate qualifying

race

points when at least one final race has been sailed" but when I have
enter results for F1 and hit Rescore, race Q1-Q5 are still

recalculated.

Do I miss some thing here? I thought that the Q1-5 values would be the
"frozen".

3 If you have a two copy's of the same sailor but one of them is

tagged

excluded the "sail num wizard" still complains that there exist two
sailors with the same sail number. Should the "sail num wizard" also
check excluded sailors?

I'm running the latest version 1.93 build 3

/Mikael

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Colin,

The qual series should be
scored by ”fleets” because the top 3rd in every “fleet”
will be in the GOLD final…. And so on.

The Qual seems ok. I made
the first final but when scoring all as one group sorted by division all
qualresults dissapear. - STRANGE

A thought: Now when
thinking of this system it looks more like a regular series with different
classes. The best sailors in the “fleets” go to ”class gold”,
but the scored results from the qualification should be as it was !!!

Martin! – Do you
have som more information from the Norwegian horizon?

Regards and now
it’s time for som beers…… cheers!

···

Anders Landenstad Svensk
Juniorsegling

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: den 13 juni 2006 10:10
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re:
Questions/problems regarding qualifying final races

Anders,

Actually you dont need to use the flight field at all - its really there for

when boats are changing race by race. Pick two fields, say fleet and

division and use them for the intial group assignments and the finals

assignments. Use the BigFleets and Finals/Medal options in the scoring

system appropriately - make sure you have "Do not recalculate qualifying

race points when at least one finals race has been sailed" ticked, other

when you are scoring the finals by divisioin (or whatever field you choose)

the points will change to be relative to the fleet size.

You only need to actually use the flight field if they are going to change

frequently. One change betwen Q and F races can be handled without using

them.

CJ

-----Original Message-----

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of Colin Jenkins

Sent: 13 June 2006 08:42

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying

final races

Anders,

Set up scoring system for flights etc.

Put all optimists in one file.

Assign flight for Q races - only need to do this once since they will not

change. Make sure that the tickbox to say “use same flight” in

Edit+Competitor is not checked.

Put the same assignments in the Fleet field.

Score Q races as one group using the ‘extract’ option to extract by fleet.

i.e. everybody has sailed as one group but your choosing to sort the reuslts

by fleet.

After the last Q race, score everybody as one group and do not extract by

fleet.

Then use the seend competitor field tool to do an “equal groups”
seeding on

the finals fleets and assign to the fleet field.

Now socre by fleet for the remainder of the series.

Make sure all starts are set up correctly.

Regards,

Colin

www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of Anders Landenstad

Sent: 13 June 2006 06:36

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying final

races

To fill in som information:

It is the same problem - I will be at the regatta.

There will be 220 Optimists divided into 5 groups, 2 groups with girls

and 3 groups wit boys. All competitors stays in the same group (flight)

during the qualifications. The Qual series must be published

“flightwise”. Top 3rd goes to GOLD after Qualification, next 3rd
to

SILVER… for the boys and the girls with bee seeded into just GOLD and

SILVER 50/50.

Then we have the Europe dinghy… same system!

Regards

Anders

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com,
“Ralph Tingle” <rat@…> wrote:

Hi Anders

Just to let you know that I have picked up your problem

Can’t see anything obvious yet

Tried v1.93b3 with my test files & data & it works OK

Working on some ideas

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----

From: Anders Landenstad
[mailto:anders@…]

Sent: 12 June 2006 14:01

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final

races

Colin, Ralph and Martin,

26 of june the swedish youth championships starts (450 dinghies, 50 %

optis) so it is important to solve these problems. I have followed (I

think)

Ralphs instructions, but the final series does not work for me at all.

When

creating the final flights (fleets), filling in results and score

final all

results of the Q dissapear.

I used field “Seeding” for qalifications and “Fleet”

for final. Have a

Qual scoring system and a Final scoring system. Yes I used the seeding

tool.

Regards

Anders Landenstad

Svensk Juniorsegling

----------------------------------------------------------\

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
On

Behalf

Of Fam Lexén

Sent: den 12 juni 2006 00:42

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final

races

Hi

I have the following problems questions:

  1. Se the attachment flights_test_q4.blw. Everything works ok until I

start to enter results for Q5. Then every thing regarding flight

assignments disappear and it is impossible to calculate a result.

However if I also assign groups to F1 race it works ok for Q5.

  1. Se the attachment flights_test_q61.blw.When we have sailed the

qualifying races I reassign the groups in F1-F5 to Gold,Silver and

Bronze. I have checked the function "Do not recalculate qualifying

race

points when at least one final race has been sailed" but when I have

enter results for F1 and hit Rescore, race Q1-Q5 are still

recalculated.

Do I miss some thing here? I thought that the Q1-5 values would be the

“frozen”.

3 If you have a two copy’s of the same sailor but one of them is

tagged

excluded the “sail num wizard” still complains that there exist
two

sailors with the same sail number. Should the “sail num wizard”
also

check excluded sailors?

I’m running the latest version 1.93 build 3

/Mikael

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Hi, Anders et all.

No, no news from Norway at the moment. First qual/final races will be our nationals june 28th to juy 2nd.

Anyway, I agree with you Anders: Final like a “regular” series of classes, without changing the qual. Plus som additions…

Have not scaled a full test yet, and I will not be in charge for the event. Though, I will be at teh arena… Probably I will meet those in charge this weekend…

regards,

Martin

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
Anders Landenstad

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:41 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying final races

Colin,

The qual series should be scored by ”fleets” because the top 3rd in every “fleet” will be in the GOLD final…. And so on.

The Qual seems ok. I made the first final but when scoring all as one group sorted by division all qualresults dissapear. - STRANGE

A thought: Now when thinking of this system it looks more like a regular series with different classes. The best sailors in the “fleets” go to ”class gold”, but the scored results from the qualification should be as it was !!!

Martin! – Do you have som more information from the Norwegian horizon?

Regards and now it’s time for som beers…… cheers!

**** Anders Landenstad**** Svensk Juniorsegling

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: den 13 juni 2006 10:10
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying final races

Anders,

Actually you dont need to use the flight field at all - its really there for
when boats are changing race by race. Pick two fields, say fleet and
division and use them for the intial group assignments and the finals
assignments. Use the BigFleets and Finals/Medal options in the scoring
system appropriately - make sure you have “Do not recalculate qualifying
race points when at least one finals race has been sailed” ticked, other
when you are scoring the finals by divisioin (or whatever field you choose)
the points will change to be relative to the fleet size.

You only need to actually use the flight field if they are going to change
frequently. One change betwen Q and F races can be handled without using
them.

CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: 13 June 2006 08:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying
final races

Anders,

Set up scoring system for flights etc.

Put all optimists in one file.

Assign flight for Q races - only need to do this once since they will not
change. Make sure that the tickbox to say “use same flight” in
Edit+Competitor is not checked.

Put the same assignments in the Fleet field.

Score Q races as one group using the ‘extract’ option to extract by fleet.
i.e. everybody has sailed as one group but your choosing to sort the reuslts
by fleet.

After the last Q race, score everybody as one group and do not extract by
fleet.

Then use the seend competitor field tool to do an “equal groups” seeding on
the finals fleets and assign to the fleet field.

Now socre by fleet for the remainder of the series.

Make sure all starts are set up correctly.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Anders Landenstad
Sent: 13 June 2006 06:36
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying final
races

To fill in som information:

It is the same problem - I will be at the regatta.

There will be 220 Optimists divided into 5 groups, 2 groups with girls
and 3 groups wit boys. All competitors stays in the same group (flight)
during the qualifications. The Qual series must be published
“flightwise” . Top 3rd goes to GOLD after Qualification, next 3rd to
SILVER… for the boys and the girls with bee seeded into just GOLD and
SILVER 50/50.

Then we have the Europe dinghy… same system!

Regards

Anders

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com , “Ralph Tingle” <rat@…> wrote:

Hi Anders

Just to let you know that I have picked up your problem

Can’t see anything obvious yet
Tried v1.93b3 with my test files & data & it works OK

Working on some ideas

Regards
Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@…]
Sent: 12 June 2006 14:01
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final
races

Colin, Ralph and Martin,

26 of june the swedish youth championships starts (450 dinghies, 50 %
optis) so it is important to solve these problems. I have followed (I
think)
Ralphs instructions, but the final series does not work for me at all.
When
creating the final flights (fleets), filling in results and score
final all
results of the Q dissapear.

I used field “Seeding” for qalifications and “Fleet”
for final. Have a
Qual scoring system and a Final scoring system. Yes I used the seeding
tool.

Regards

Anders Landenstad
Svensk Juniorsegling

----------------------------------------------------------\

–

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ] On
Behalf
Of Fam Lexén
Sent: den 12 juni 2006 00:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final
races

Hi

I have the following problems questions:

  1. Se the attachment flights_test_q4.blw. Everything works ok until I
    start to enter results for Q5. Then every thing regarding flight
    assignments disappear and it is impossible to calculate a result.
    However if I also assign groups to F1 race it works ok for Q5.

  2. Se the attachment flights_test_q61.blw.When we have sailed the
    qualifying races I reassign the groups in F1-F5 to Gold,Silver and
    Bronze. I have checked the function “Do not recalculate qualifying
    race
    points when at least one final race has been sailed” but when I have
    enter results for F1 and hit Rescore, race Q1-Q5 are still
    recalculated.
    Do I miss some thing here? I thought that the Q1-5 values would be the
    “frozen”.

3 If you have a two copy’s of the same sailor but one of them is
tagged
excluded the “sail num wizard” still complains that there exist two
sailors with the same sail number. Should the “sail num wizard” also
check excluded sailors?

I’m running the latest version 1.93 build 3

/Mikael

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Colin,

I tried this and it seems to work but there is something strange going on. It seems that the rule

"Do not recalculate qualifying race points when at least one final race has been sailed"

kicks in after I enter results for F2 race. When I enter results in the F1 race and hit rescore q1-q5 are recalculated according to the Gold-Brons fleet. After I have entered the F2 race the q1-q5 are frozen. See the attached published results.

/Mikael

Colin Jenkins wrote:

jsm_test_f.blw (39.5 KB)

blw1033.htm (19.2 KB)

blw1031.htm (18.7 KB)

blw1030.htm (18.1 KB)

···

Anders,

Actually you dont need to use the flight field at all - its really there for
when boats are changing race by race. Pick two fields, say fleet and
division and use them for the intial group assignments and the finals
assignments. Use the BigFleets and Finals/Medal options in the scoring
system appropriately - make sure you have "Do not recalculate qualifying
race points when at least one finals race has been sailed" ticked, other
when you are scoring the finals by divisioin (or whatever field you choose)
the points will change to be relative to the fleet size.

You only need to actually use the flight field if they are going to change
frequently. One change betwen Q and F races can be handled without using
them.

CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: 13 June 2006 08:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying
final races

Anders,

Set up scoring system for flights etc.

Put all optimists in one file.

Assign flight for Q races - only need to do this once since they will not
change. Make sure that the tickbox to say "use same flight" in
Edit+Competitor is *not* checked.

Put the same assignments in the Fleet field.

Score Q races as one group using the 'extract' option to extract by fleet.
i.e. everybody has sailed as one group but your choosing to sort the reuslts
by fleet.

After the last Q race, score everybody as one group and *do not* extract by
fleet.

Then use the seend competitor field tool to do an "equal groups" seeding on
the finals fleets and assign to the fleet field.

Now socre by fleet for the remainder of the series.

Make sure all starts are set up correctly.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Anders Landenstad
Sent: 13 June 2006 06:36
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying final
races

To fill in som information:

It is the same problem - I will be at the regatta.

There will be 220 Optimists divided into 5 groups, 2 groups with girls
and 3 groups wit boys. All competitors stays in the same group (flight)
during the qualifications. The Qual series must be published
"flightwise". Top 3rd goes to GOLD after Qualification, next 3rd to
SILVER... for the boys and the girls with bee seeded into just GOLD and
SILVER 50/50.

Then we have the Europe dinghy..... same system!

Regards

Anders

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Tingle" <rat@...> wrote:
  

Hi Anders

Just to let you know that I have picked up your problem

Can't see anything obvious yet
Tried v1.93b3 with my test files & data & it works OK

Working on some ideas

Regards
Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@…]
Sent: 12 June 2006 14:01
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final
races

Colin, Ralph and Martin,

26 of june the swedish youth championships starts (450 dinghies, 50 %
optis) so it is important to solve these problems. I have followed (I
    

think)
  

Ralphs instructions, but the final series does not work for me at all.
    

When
  

creating the final flights (fleets), filling in results and score
    

final all
  

results of the Q dissapear.

I used field "Seeding" for qalifications and "Fleet"
    

for final. Have a
  

Qual scoring system and a Final scoring system. Yes I used the seeding
    

tool.
  

Regards
________________________________________________
Anders Landenstad
Svensk Juniorsegling

------------------------------------------------------------------------\
----
  

--

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On
    

Behalf
  

Of Fam Lex�n
Sent: den 12 juni 2006 00:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final
    

races
  

Hi

I have the following problems questions:

1. Se the attachment flights_test_q4.blw. Everything works ok until I
start to enter results for Q5. Then every thing regarding flight
assignments disappear and it is impossible to calculate a result.
However if I also assign groups to F1 race it works ok for Q5.

2. Se the attachment flights_test_q61.blw.When we have sailed the
qualifying races I reassign the groups in F1-F5 to Gold,Silver and
Bronze. I have checked the function "Do not recalculate qualifying
    

race
  

points when at least one final race has been sailed" but when I have
enter results for F1 and hit Rescore, race Q1-Q5 are still
    

recalculated.
  

Do I miss some thing here? I thought that the Q1-5 values would be the
"frozen".

3 If you have a two copy's of the same sailor but one of them is
    

tagged
  

excluded the "sail num wizard" still complains that there exist two
sailors with the same sail number. Should the "sail num wizard" also
check excluded sailors?

I'm running the latest version 1.93 build 3

/Mikael

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Micheal,Anders, et al,

I think this is because when scoring by field 1.93b3 is forgetting the field
when you come to do it again - the reuslts is that you're scoring by a field
that is not set for anybody so you dont get any results. The bug is fixed
in 1.94 which I'll upload tonight. If you still have problem using that,
get back to me tonight/tomorrow and i'll sort any issues out my the weekend
(Anders). Sorry for delay..

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

···

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Anders Landenstad
Sent: 12 June 2006 14:01
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final races

Colin, Ralph and Martin,

26 of june the swedish youth championships starts (450 dinghies, 50 % optis)
so it is important to solve these problems. I have followed (I think) Ralphs
instructions, but the final series does not work for me at all. When
creating the final flights (fleets), filling in results and score final all
results of the Q dissapear.

I used field �Seeding� for qalifications and �Fleet� for final. Have a Qual
scoring system and a Final scoring system. Yes I used the seeding tool.

Regards
________________________________________________
Anders Landenstad
Svensk Juniorsegling

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Fam Lex�n
Sent: den 12 juni 2006 00:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final races

Hi

I have the following problems questions:

1. Se the attachment flights_test_q4.blw. Everything works ok until I
start to enter results for Q5. Then every thing regarding flight
assignments disappear and it is impossible to calculate a result.
However if I also assign groups to F1 race it works ok for Q5.

2. Se the attachment flights_test_q61.blw.When we have sailed the
qualifying races I reassign the groups in F1-F5 to Gold,Silver and
Bronze. I have checked the function "Do not recalculate qualifying race
points when at least one final race has been sailed" but when I have
enter results for F1 and hit Rescore, race Q1-Q5 are still recalculated.
Do I miss some thing here? I thought that the Q1-5 values would be the
"frozen".

3 If you have a two copy's of the same sailor but one of them is tagged
excluded the "sail num wizard" still complains that there exist two
sailors with the same sail number. Should the "sail num wizard" also
check excluded sailors?

I'm running the latest version 1.93 build 3

/Mikael
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Mikael,

I will look at this now...

CJ

Behalf Of Fam Lex�n

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Sent: 15 June 2006 22:28
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying
final races

Colin,

I tried this and it seems to work but there is something strange going
on. It seems that the rule

"Do not recalculate qualifying race points when at least one final race has
been sailed"

kicks in after I enter results for F2 race. When I enter results in the F1
race and hit rescore q1-q5 are recalculated according to the Gold-Brons
fleet. After I have entered the F2 race the q1-q5 are frozen. See the
attached published results.

/Mikael

Colin Jenkins wrote:

Anders,

Actually you dont need to use the flight field at all - its really there

for

when boats are changing race by race. Pick two fields, say fleet and
division and use them for the intial group assignments and the finals
assignments. Use the BigFleets and Finals/Medal options in the scoring
system appropriately - make sure you have "Do not recalculate qualifying
race points when at least one finals race has been sailed" ticked, other
when you are scoring the finals by divisioin (or whatever field you

choose)

the points will change to be relative to the fleet size.

You only need to actually use the flight field if they are going to change
frequently. One change betwen Q and F races can be handled without using
them.

CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: 13 June 2006 08:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying
final races

Anders,

Set up scoring system for flights etc.

Put all optimists in one file.

Assign flight for Q races - only need to do this once since they will not
change. Make sure that the tickbox to say "use same flight" in
Edit+Competitor is *not* checked.

Put the same assignments in the Fleet field.

Score Q races as one group using the 'extract' option to extract by fleet.
i.e. everybody has sailed as one group but your choosing to sort the

reuslts

by fleet.

After the last Q race, score everybody as one group and *do not* extract

by

fleet.

Then use the seend competitor field tool to do an "equal groups" seeding

on

the finals fleets and assign to the fleet field.

Now socre by fleet for the remainder of the series.

Make sure all starts are set up correctly.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Anders Landenstad
Sent: 13 June 2006 06:36
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying final
races

To fill in som information:

It is the same problem - I will be at the regatta.

There will be 220 Optimists divided into 5 groups, 2 groups with girls
and 3 groups wit boys. All competitors stays in the same group (flight)
during the qualifications. The Qual series must be published
"flightwise". Top 3rd goes to GOLD after Qualification, next 3rd to
SILVER... for the boys and the girls with bee seeded into just GOLD and
SILVER 50/50.

Then we have the Europe dinghy..... same system!

Regards

Anders

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Tingle" <rat@...> wrote:

Hi Anders

Just to let you know that I have picked up your problem

Can't see anything obvious yet
Tried v1.93b3 with my test files & data & it works OK

Working on some ideas

Regards
Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@…]
Sent: 12 June 2006 14:01
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final
races

Colin, Ralph and Martin,

26 of june the swedish youth championships starts (450 dinghies, 50 %
optis) so it is important to solve these problems. I have followed (I

think)

Ralphs instructions, but the final series does not work for me at all.

When

creating the final flights (fleets), filling in results and score

final all

results of the Q dissapear.

I used field "Seeding" for qalifications and "Fleet"

for final. Have a

Qual scoring system and a Final scoring system. Yes I used the seeding

tool.

Regards
________________________________________________
Anders Landenstad
Svensk Juniorsegling

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Behalf

Of Fam Lex�n
Sent: den 12 juni 2006 00:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final

races

Hi

I have the following problems questions:

1. Se the attachment flights_test_q4.blw. Everything works ok until I
start to enter results for Q5. Then every thing regarding flight
assignments disappear and it is impossible to calculate a result.
However if I also assign groups to F1 race it works ok for Q5.

2. Se the attachment flights_test_q61.blw.When we have sailed the
qualifying races I reassign the groups in F1-F5 to Gold,Silver and
Bronze. I have checked the function "Do not recalculate qualifying

race

points when at least one final race has been sailed" but when I have
enter results for F1 and hit Rescore, race Q1-Q5 are still

recalculated.

Do I miss some thing here? I thought that the Q1-5 values would be the
"frozen".

3 If you have a two copy's of the same sailor but one of them is

tagged

excluded the "sail num wizard" still complains that there exist two
sailors with the same sail number. Should the "sail num wizard" also
check excluded sailors?

I'm running the latest version 1.93 build 3

/Mikael

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Mikael,

Fixed in 1.84 build 2 available on the website. Anybody that downloaded
1.94 please update with this build.

NB: The tickbox in the scoring system will probably have reset itself,
you'll need to tick it again after scoring the series in a way that you want
the qualifying scores to be locked into.

Sorry about that.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Sent: 15 June 2006 22:28
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying
final races

Colin,

I tried this and it seems to work but there is something strange going
on. It seems that the rule

"Do not recalculate qualifying race points when at least one final race has
been sailed"

kicks in after I enter results for F2 race. When I enter results in the F1
race and hit rescore q1-q5 are recalculated according to the Gold-Brons
fleet. After I have entered the F2 race the q1-q5 are frozen. See the
attached published results.

/Mikael

Colin Jenkins wrote:

Anders,

Actually you dont need to use the flight field at all - its really there

for

when boats are changing race by race. Pick two fields, say fleet and
division and use them for the intial group assignments and the finals
assignments. Use the BigFleets and Finals/Medal options in the scoring
system appropriately - make sure you have "Do not recalculate qualifying
race points when at least one finals race has been sailed" ticked, other
when you are scoring the finals by divisioin (or whatever field you

choose)

the points will change to be relative to the fleet size.

You only need to actually use the flight field if they are going to change
frequently. One change betwen Q and F races can be handled without using
them.

CJ

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: 13 June 2006 08:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying
final races

Anders,

Set up scoring system for flights etc.

Put all optimists in one file.

Assign flight for Q races - only need to do this once since they will not
change. Make sure that the tickbox to say "use same flight" in
Edit+Competitor is *not* checked.

Put the same assignments in the Fleet field.

Score Q races as one group using the 'extract' option to extract by fleet.
i.e. everybody has sailed as one group but your choosing to sort the

reuslts

by fleet.

After the last Q race, score everybody as one group and *do not* extract

by

fleet.

Then use the seend competitor field tool to do an "equal groups" seeding

on

the finals fleets and assign to the fleet field.

Now socre by fleet for the remainder of the series.

Make sure all starts are set up correctly.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Anders Landenstad
Sent: 13 June 2006 06:36
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Questions/problems regarding qualifying final
races

To fill in som information:

It is the same problem - I will be at the regatta.

There will be 220 Optimists divided into 5 groups, 2 groups with girls
and 3 groups wit boys. All competitors stays in the same group (flight)
during the qualifications. The Qual series must be published
"flightwise". Top 3rd goes to GOLD after Qualification, next 3rd to
SILVER... for the boys and the girls with bee seeded into just GOLD and
SILVER 50/50.

Then we have the Europe dinghy..... same system!

Regards

Anders

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Tingle" <rat@...> wrote:

Hi Anders

Just to let you know that I have picked up your problem

Can't see anything obvious yet
Tried v1.93b3 with my test files & data & it works OK

Working on some ideas

Regards
Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders@…]
Sent: 12 June 2006 14:01
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final
races

Colin, Ralph and Martin,

26 of june the swedish youth championships starts (450 dinghies, 50 %
optis) so it is important to solve these problems. I have followed (I

think)

Ralphs instructions, but the final series does not work for me at all.

When

creating the final flights (fleets), filling in results and score

final all

results of the Q dissapear.

I used field "Seeding" for qalifications and "Fleet"

for final. Have a

Qual scoring system and a Final scoring system. Yes I used the seeding

tool.

Regards
________________________________________________
Anders Landenstad
Svensk Juniorsegling

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf

Of Fam Lex�n
Sent: den 12 juni 2006 00:42
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Questions/problems regarding qualifying final

races

Hi

I have the following problems questions:

1. Se the attachment flights_test_q4.blw. Everything works ok until I
start to enter results for Q5. Then every thing regarding flight
assignments disappear and it is impossible to calculate a result.
However if I also assign groups to F1 race it works ok for Q5.

2. Se the attachment flights_test_q61.blw.When we have sailed the
qualifying races I reassign the groups in F1-F5 to Gold,Silver and
Bronze. I have checked the function "Do not recalculate qualifying

race

points when at least one final race has been sailed" but when I have
enter results for F1 and hit Rescore, race Q1-Q5 are still

recalculated.

Do I miss some thing here? I thought that the Q1-5 values would be the
"frozen".

3 If you have a two copy's of the same sailor but one of them is

tagged

excluded the "sail num wizard" still complains that there exist two
sailors with the same sail number. Should the "sail num wizard" also
check excluded sailors?

I'm running the latest version 1.93 build 3

/Mikael

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"Fixed in 1.84 build 2"

That should say 1.94 build 2 of course...
CJ

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